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Bill Akins · July 15, 2013, 03:17 AM

Hawg and Mykeal, instead of criticizing me for my making what you think are too long and detailed of posts (even though my post was no doubt helpful to the OP asking for recommendations), why don't you instead stick to the subject the OP was asking recommendations for, and give him some more info that can further help him decide which 1st black powder revolver he should buy, instead of hijacking his thread via attacking and criticizing me for no good reason and thus diverting the thread away from what the OP was asking advice for.

Further, Hawg and Mykeal, if you think it is such an easy and simple question to answer, then I challenge you both to give a simple and short answer to the OP's original posted question of which black powder revolver he should buy first. And since you think it's such an easy and simple question, then you should have an easy and simple answer for him that should take no more than three sentences....right?

After all, you claim it's a simple question so a very short and simple answer should suffice right? Make sure in those three sentences you point out about different model BP revolvers in their categories like I did in my post. Point out outstanding features, positives and negatives of all those different categories of BP revolvers and compare the same revolver made by different manufacturers, and then give the OP your reasons for you suggesting what his first BP revolver should be. You should be able to answer a simple question with a simple three sentence answer that includes all that shouldn't you? Okay, let's see it. Or would you prefer to ignore the OP's subject and questions and instead continue to hijack his thread by just criticizing me for no good reason?

In the meantime, I would prefer to keep on the OP's subject track, and continue to help the OP to gain enough info/knowledge concerning his question of what BP revolver he should buy first.

NR5P, In addition to the Uberti steel frame or stainless 1858 Remington .44 that I suggested you might buy first, I'd also like to tell you about the Euroarms Rogers and Spencer in .44 caliber. It shares a lot of features of the Remington, in that it is also a closed frame revolver. In fact from a distance it greatly resembles the 1858 Remington. It also has more material removed from the rear of the cylinder around the nipples, so there is more space around the nipples and it is the easiest black powder revolver to gain access to the nipples to cap. That is a point for the R&S against the Remy.

So the Rogers and Spencer has a closed frame like the Remy, but the cylinder of the R&S does not remove as easily as the Remy, so that is one point for the Remy against the R&S. The R&S has a loading lever not exactly like, yet similar to the Whitney (or the Whitney copy the Spiller and Burr) which is also similar to the type used on the Ruger Old Army BP revolver. I can't see any pro nor con regarding the loading lever of the Remy against the loading lever of the R&S, just pointing out that they are different and I find the R&S loading lever very visually appealing. To illustrate the similarity between the R&S loading lever and the loading lever of the steel frame Whitney (or it's copy the brass frame Spiller & Burr), compare this below pic's brass framed Spiller & Burr loading lever to the one on the further down pic of the stainless Rogers & Spencer.

Adjustable sighted Euroarms, Rogers and Spencers are used in international BP revolver shooting competitions because of their great accuracy. That is a big point for the R&S. And although I personally prefer the 1860 Colt clones as being the ultimate most esthetically pleasing to my eye, I would have to say the Rogers and Spencer is more pleasing esthetically to my eye than the 1858 Remington. To me there's just something more appealing visually to the Rogers and Spencer than there is to the 1858 Remington.

Non adjustable sighted Rogers and Spencers are also just as historically accurate as non adjustable sighted 1858 Remingtons. The Rogers and Spencer is also available in stainless as is the 1858 Remington.

The Rogers and Spencer is not quite as plentifully found on Gunbroker and other auctions sites, (although there is always one or two for sale pretty much at any given time on gunbroker), and when you do find one it is usually around $100.00 more than a comparable 1858 Remington. So price wise the 1858 Remy is usually less expensive than the R&S, but the R&S would (arguably) probably be more accurate. At least the international shooting teams think so.

So considering everything above, in addition to the 1858 Remington, I'd also recommend the Rogers and Spencer would also be an excellent candidate for you to look into for your 1st black powder revolver.

Here's a pic of a Rogers and Spencer in stainless.

And here's a link to a page that will show you a lot of pics of the Rogers and Spencer. Just click on any of the pics you see, and it will take you to a page where that pic is larger. Then on the right side of that page, click on "visit page" and it will take you to the writeup concerning that picture. Good way to learn about the subject gun by googling it this way. Here's that link.....
http://www.google.com/search?q=Roger...w=1270&bih=678

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July 15, 2013, 03:17 AM	#54
Bill Akins Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2007 Location: Hudson, Florida Posts: 1,135	Hawg and Mykeal, instead of criticizing me for my making what you think are too long and detailed of posts (even though my post was no doubt helpful to the OP asking for recommendations), why don't you instead stick to the subject the OP was asking recommendations for, and give him some more info that can further help him decide which 1st black powder revolver he should buy, instead of hijacking his thread via attacking and criticizing me for no good reason and thus diverting the thread away from what the OP was asking advice for. Further, Hawg and Mykeal, if you think it is such an easy and simple question to answer, then I challenge you both to give a simple and short answer to the OP's original posted question of which black powder revolver he should buy first. And since you think it's such an easy and simple question, then you should have an easy and simple answer for him that should take no more than three sentences....right? After all, you claim it's a simple question so a very short and simple answer should suffice right? Make sure in those three sentences you point out about different model BP revolvers in their categories like I did in my post. Point out outstanding features, positives and negatives of all those different categories of BP revolvers and compare the same revolver made by different manufacturers, and then give the OP your reasons for you suggesting what his first BP revolver should be. You should be able to answer a simple question with a simple three sentence answer that includes all that shouldn't you? Okay, let's see it. Or would you prefer to ignore the OP's subject and questions and instead continue to hijack his thread by just criticizing me for no good reason? In the meantime, I would prefer to keep on the OP's subject track, and continue to help the OP to gain enough info/knowledge concerning his question of what BP revolver he should buy first. NR5P, In addition to the Uberti steel frame or stainless 1858 Remington .44 that I suggested you might buy first, I'd also like to tell you about the Euroarms Rogers and Spencer in .44 caliber. It shares a lot of features of the Remington, in that it is also a closed frame revolver. In fact from a distance it greatly resembles the 1858 Remington. It also has more material removed from the rear of the cylinder around the nipples, so there is more space around the nipples and it is the easiest black powder revolver to gain access to the nipples to cap. That is a point for the R&S against the Remy. So the Rogers and Spencer has a closed frame like the Remy, but the cylinder of the R&S does not remove as easily as the Remy, so that is one point for the Remy against the R&S. The R&S has a loading lever not exactly like, yet similar to the Whitney (or the Whitney copy the Spiller and Burr) which is also similar to the type used on the Ruger Old Army BP revolver. I can't see any pro nor con regarding the loading lever of the Remy against the loading lever of the R&S, just pointing out that they are different and I find the R&S loading lever very visually appealing. To illustrate the similarity between the R&S loading lever and the loading lever of the steel frame Whitney (or it's copy the brass frame Spiller & Burr), compare this below pic's brass framed Spiller & Burr loading lever to the one on the further down pic of the stainless Rogers & Spencer. Adjustable sighted Euroarms, Rogers and Spencers are used in international BP revolver shooting competitions because of their great accuracy. That is a big point for the R&S. And although I personally prefer the 1860 Colt clones as being the ultimate most esthetically pleasing to my eye, I would have to say the Rogers and Spencer is more pleasing esthetically to my eye than the 1858 Remington. To me there's just something more appealing visually to the Rogers and Spencer than there is to the 1858 Remington. Non adjustable sighted Rogers and Spencers are also just as historically accurate as non adjustable sighted 1858 Remingtons. The Rogers and Spencer is also available in stainless as is the 1858 Remington. The Rogers and Spencer is not quite as plentifully found on Gunbroker and other auctions sites, (although there is always one or two for sale pretty much at any given time on gunbroker), and when you do find one it is usually around $100.00 more than a comparable 1858 Remington. So price wise the 1858 Remy is usually less expensive than the R&S, but the R&S would (arguably) probably be more accurate. At least the international shooting teams think so. So considering everything above, in addition to the 1858 Remington, I'd also recommend the Rogers and Spencer would also be an excellent candidate for you to look into for your 1st black powder revolver. Here's a pic of a Rogers and Spencer in stainless. And here's a link to a page that will show you a lot of pics of the Rogers and Spencer. Just click on any of the pics you see, and it will take you to a page where that pic is larger. Then on the right side of that page, click on "visit page" and it will take you to the writeup concerning that picture. Good way to learn about the subject gun by googling it this way. Here's that link..... http://www.google.com/search?q=Roger...w=1270&bih=678 . __________________ "This is my Remy and this is my Colt. Remy loads easy and topstrap strong, Colt balances better and never feels wrong. A repro black powder revolver gun, they smoke and shoot lead and give me much fun. I can't figure out which one I like better, they're both fine revolvers that fit in my leather". "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target". Last edited by Bill Akins; July 16, 2013 at 07:28 PM.