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My guns are current production Winchester 1892 - 20" barrel carbine and a short rifle. I have the carbine cimarron butt tamer for my carbine and the rifle one for the short rifle. They fit almost perfectly on my 1892s. On the short rifle I just cut some high density foam exercise matt rubber to fit the butt plate profile and set that in the bottom of the butt tamer and laced it up. It fits well and does not shift around on the stock.
If you have an actual Winchester rifle butt stock, then you do not want the carbine leather, as the curve is less pronounced on a carbine butt stock.
My short rifle is the one that bothers my shoulder the most, as that crescent butt stock digs in at the top and bottom of the curve and leaves some pretty nasty bruises if I shoot it without some cover/cushion. The carbine butt stock is not nearly as bad, but the leather alone still eases the effect of the edges of that steel butt plate.
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