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rcbs · November 6, 2002, 08:10 AM

1. It is my understanding that if you contact the ATF and get permission you can attach a reproduction shoulder stock legally. What I do not know is wether you will have to pay the $200.oo transfer fee to do this or not. The repro stock will have to closely approximate the configuration of the original.

An original stock is legal on this pistol.

2. The Red Nine was a pistol that was never perfected. All though they do work somewhat expect jams with them. The very short 9mm cartridge does not work well out of the very long magazine of the Mauser as it was originally designed for the 30 Mauser cartridge which is a good deal longer than the 9x19 cartridge.

3. Yes they exist with detachable mags. There are some original full auto .30 caliber models and some super rare semi-autos but they are beyond the price range of the average buyer. Also I believe it was Interarms that made up some semi-auto frames and put the full auto top halves on them making the gun a legal semi-auto. They are not considered originals and are not worth what an orignal would sell for. Also the Chinese have imported some detatachable magazine versions that were made recently.

4. Parts availablity is a nightmare. There are repro. firing pins and repro grips and repro coil springs but no flat springs that I am aware of and they are the ones that usually break. Another common part that breaks is the safety. They are usually not available and if you look to see how they were made you will understand why. Truthfully their are probably only a handful of machinest in the entire country that would even attempt to make one and if they did the part would probably end up costing you more that the original complete gun did to begin with. You can break a safety just by squeezing it to hard when the gun is dissasembled and you are attempting to put it back together again. This gun is an easy gun to take apart but a hard one to put back together again.

Note: Never take out the rocker arm coupling located in the sub-assembly. The main spring rests behind this part. If you take this part out and accidently put it back in backwards the gun will go back together but then it will not work and it will never ever come back apart again. A hole will have to be drilled into the side of the frame so that the rocker arm can be lifted to enable you to slide the reciever off of the frame. And then the hole would have to be welded back up and the gun refinished. The rocker arm coupling is in the shape of a C and should always be pointing forward toward the muzzle of the gun.

Although parts guns and rebuilt guns are still available an orignal in excellent original condition will cost you a lot of money. They are almost too expensive to take a chance on shooting because of the devaluation that would happen to your investment.

Be careful if your hammer is not marked with an N/S. It stands for new safety. If it is not marked as such the gun can accidently fire all by itself and here is how it will happen. If you are shooting the gun and you accidently bump the safety only slightly to the on position the safety will prevent you from firing the next shot. When you discover what has happened and flick the safety into the fire position the hammer will fall all by itself without you touching the trigger and the gun will fire because the gun was actually in a false safety postion.

All this is not meant to discourage you from buying one because they are super accurate and an enginneering masterpiece of the highest order. Workmanship was superb and they were made of the finest materiels available. Shooting one with a shoulder stock is a real joy. There were many, many variations of the C96 but finding them today is not as easy as it was 30 or 40 years ago. They are a super collectors piece and a very historical weapon having served in every major war from the early 1900's all the way up to the many current wars . They were one of the few early auto-loading pistols that worked very reliably.

MOst of them today unless in mint condition will require the replacement of the recoil spring and sometimes the hammer spring. Failure to replace these springs will cause immediate damage to the weapon if it is fired with full power factor loads. Shooting reduced reloads in this weapon will prolong its life rather than shooting a ton of full power factory loads. It is not recommeded that you ever shoot Tokerov ammo out of these weapons as the Tokerov ammo is way to hot for them.

Bore diameter runs about .312 on the origjnals and about .308 on the relined , rebuilt guns.

November 6, 2002, 08:10 AM	#3
rcbs Junior member Join Date: September 25, 2002 Posts: 92	1. It is my understanding that if you contact the ATF and get permission you can attach a reproduction shoulder stock legally. What I do not know is wether you will have to pay the $200.oo transfer fee to do this or not. The repro stock will have to closely approximate the configuration of the original. An original stock is legal on this pistol. 2. The Red Nine was a pistol that was never perfected. All though they do work somewhat expect jams with them. The very short 9mm cartridge does not work well out of the very long magazine of the Mauser as it was originally designed for the 30 Mauser cartridge which is a good deal longer than the 9x19 cartridge. 3. Yes they exist with detachable mags. There are some original full auto .30 caliber models and some super rare semi-autos but they are beyond the price range of the average buyer. Also I believe it was Interarms that made up some semi-auto frames and put the full auto top halves on them making the gun a legal semi-auto. They are not considered originals and are not worth what an orignal would sell for. Also the Chinese have imported some detatachable magazine versions that were made recently. 4. Parts availablity is a nightmare. There are repro. firing pins and repro grips and repro coil springs but no flat springs that I am aware of and they are the ones that usually break. Another common part that breaks is the safety. They are usually not available and if you look to see how they were made you will understand why. Truthfully their are probably only a handful of machinest in the entire country that would even attempt to make one and if they did the part would probably end up costing you more that the original complete gun did to begin with. You can break a safety just by squeezing it to hard when the gun is dissasembled and you are attempting to put it back together again. This gun is an easy gun to take apart but a hard one to put back together again. Note: Never take out the rocker arm coupling located in the sub-assembly. The main spring rests behind this part. If you take this part out and accidently put it back in backwards the gun will go back together but then it will not work and it will never ever come back apart again. A hole will have to be drilled into the side of the frame so that the rocker arm can be lifted to enable you to slide the reciever off of the frame. And then the hole would have to be welded back up and the gun refinished. The rocker arm coupling is in the shape of a C and should always be pointing forward toward the muzzle of the gun. Although parts guns and rebuilt guns are still available an orignal in excellent original condition will cost you a lot of money. They are almost too expensive to take a chance on shooting because of the devaluation that would happen to your investment. Be careful if your hammer is not marked with an N/S. It stands for new safety. If it is not marked as such the gun can accidently fire all by itself and here is how it will happen. If you are shooting the gun and you accidently bump the safety only slightly to the on position the safety will prevent you from firing the next shot. When you discover what has happened and flick the safety into the fire position the hammer will fall all by itself without you touching the trigger and the gun will fire because the gun was actually in a false safety postion. All this is not meant to discourage you from buying one because they are super accurate and an enginneering masterpiece of the highest order. Workmanship was superb and they were made of the finest materiels available. Shooting one with a shoulder stock is a real joy. There were many, many variations of the C96 but finding them today is not as easy as it was 30 or 40 years ago. They are a super collectors piece and a very historical weapon having served in every major war from the early 1900's all the way up to the many current wars . They were one of the few early auto-loading pistols that worked very reliably. MOst of them today unless in mint condition will require the replacement of the recoil spring and sometimes the hammer spring. Failure to replace these springs will cause immediate damage to the weapon if it is fired with full power factor loads. Shooting reduced reloads in this weapon will prolong its life rather than shooting a ton of full power factory loads. It is not recommeded that you ever shoot Tokerov ammo out of these weapons as the Tokerov ammo is way to hot for them. Bore diameter runs about .312 on the origjnals and about .308 on the relined , rebuilt guns. Last edited by rcbs; November 6, 2002 at 04:17 PM.