Well got the "Removable"carry handle off the receiver rail. Was able to remove the front thumb nut from the screw. From there I pushed the screw threw which created a space between the handle and the bracket I wedged a large Allen wrench in the space and tapped it toward the the one that was spinning that created enuf tension where it wouldn't spin allowing me to remove the thumb nut. There by allowing me to remove the handle.! However note: if you do this it will bend the bracket for the handle. For me this is not an issue I did not want it to begin with.