[castnblast]

The lead is more than you think. I do the butt-bird-beak-bang theory, with a significant delay as I swing past the beak to the bang. My guestimate is an approx. 6 ft lead. I notice when I dove hunt, I usually don't lead enough. I tend to hit passing doves on the 2nd shot, which I increase the lead off my first shot. Obviously, the longer the distance, the longer the lead on the first shot. If you can shoot some skeet, it will help tremendously.

On the Incoming shots, cover the bird with your barrel. Should be a kill. on the going out shots, try making a figure 8 with your rear and front sight, (if you have a ventilated rib) then aim UNDER the bird. This actually places the shot in front, which the bird will fly into the shot because it is going away from you. If the shot is quartering away, you have to add subtle leads in that general direction.

remember, most doves are missed because they are under lead, not over lead.