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Old April 21, 2021, 02:33 AM   #35
Scorch
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Pardon my apparent callous indifference, but why??
I don't think it's callous indifference, I think it's more like "If they don't care, I don't care", but that's another topic.

By addressing the suicides I meant that someone has to take them out of the total firearms deaths talking points. And not so much the suicides themselves, but why they are being addressed as "gun deaths" when in that case the fact that there was a firearm involved was simply timing or convenience. If you are trying to look at gun homicides (gangs or police or private citizens killing someone), then leave out the people whoo killed themselves. But it's a big number, so anti-gunners want it in there for shock value.

I think in analyzing things like cause and effect, the Pareto principle is a valuable tool. It separates a lot of the garbage and lets you see what's going on in all that mess.
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