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Old August 26, 2019, 12:58 PM   #130
davidsog
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Still seems to me that the final cartridges and weapons don’t exist yet.
That is kind of a dumb and obvious statement. It is PON...That means PROJECT OPPORTUNITY NOTICE. No the final cartriages are not available but they are shooting real cartriadges on ranges and the 27 month timeline is counting down.

It is calling for 27 months of initial prototyping and then iterative prototyping for at least 8 years. What that means is the Army will begin fielding the design they accept in 27 months. The design team and manufacturer is on the hook for any design changes that are required for at least the next 8 years. Data will be collected in the units to assist in that.

It is kind of like how we got from the M16 to the M4 carbine......

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5. Question: Why reference either [(flying supersonic and managing recoil)] in relation to the baseline 5.56mm at that much extra power?

Response: The “Ammunition” includes an assembled cartridge case with propellant, primer, and a Government provided 6.8 millimeter projectiles. Reference DRAFT NGSW PON, Attachment 3 – Ammunition Data for more information on the ammunition. For the Government’s desired capabilities, reference DRAFT NGSW PON Attachment 13 – Capability
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Attachment 3 is not available to the public. The government knows exactly what it wants and has supplied projectiles.

It is not going to stifle engineering creativity or ingenuity as long as the ammunition meets the already achieved performance for lethality.

I do not think it is very hard to understand nor is it some intellectual exercise.

Facts are 5.56mm is obsolete on today's battlefield. You can cry me a river over it but it does not matter what you think on the subject.


The Army wants the 6.8mm round and at least the performance it already achieved.

It could care less if vendor engineers achieve that performance with ceaseless ammunition, telescoping, or plain ol' brass. The engineers that can come up with the most battlefield advantages and lowest cost in the timeline the Army has set will win. Whoever's prototype offers the most advantages will win the contract.

It is that simple. 5.56mm is obsolete and will be replaced. The projectiles the Army wants are being slung downrange at the performance the Army wants as we type in this thread.

http://soldiersystems.net/2019/01/31...-weapons-ngsw/

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=1

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