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Old January 28, 2014, 01:42 AM   #47
Knight cadet
Join Date: January 15, 2014
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so I guess the 1888 mauser rifles and lee metfords(the progenitor of the lee enfield) were a dead end first gen rifle?
The 1888 commission rifle wasn't a Mauser. It was a total dead end because it shared no major features with any of Mauser's designs.

And the M1911 is still in production and widely regarded as THE handgun for military or self defense use.
Not even close! It is a dinosaur that isn't used by any military or police force in the world without jumping through alot of hoops and getting waivers and special permission.

AFAIK only the Italians and the Austro-Hungarians used the Mannlicher clip
France, Italy, USA, Germany, Greece, Austria, There were others, but it was always a weakness in those countries' rifle's designs.

-the Austro-Hungarians and the Canadians were the only major armies to field straight pull rifles, the Ross was weighed in the balance and found wanting.
As mentioned above the Swiss (K96,1911,& 31) Also the Lee navy was a straight pull
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