Pahoo: Just thinking about what you said (above) It never dawned on me that you could use these Plastic Patch things in a fast-twist barrel with a >Ball!! of all things? Wow!! Hey Thanks Pahoo. I do have a G/M 1-28 for my 45 Hawken and have to date only shot (my preferred brand) R&P Muzzleloading Dead Center sabot bullets out of it. My knowing of being able to shoot round ball with the aid of these Plastic Patchs from that Green Mtn quick-twister. Will offer me a whole new fun time of "Cap'in & a Blast'in"