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Well for one your safe is Chinese made which makes a difference to a lot of us.

Not that I'm a big fan of China, but what difference does it make? Are you buying a safe to protect assets, or are you buying it to make a political statement? Do burglars in the US only attack US made safes? I may be wrong, but I don't believe fires or burglars care where a safe is made.

I sell safes from all over the world. I sell safes built better than the Sturdy from several other countries. If you have a preference on country of origin, I can probably accomodate.

Speaking of China for a second. I haven't seen many people that aren't using goods made in China, or who knows where else. What is it about gun safes in particular that gets you worked up? In addition, there are several US companies selling Chinese gun safes that fib/stretch the truth or whatever you want to call it regarding the country of origin. I can't tell you how many people have bought "Made in America Liberty Safes" that were made in China. The biggest offender is probably the "Made In America" Patriot safes. I just tend to be a little more truthful than most.

The 1/4" on the body isn't a 1/4" plate but two sheets of 1/8" which as you know makes a big difference to a fire ax.

The problem is it's not just two sheets of steel. It's two sheets of steel filled with a "concrete" mix. Did you know that most modern day bank vault doors are 12 gauge stainless sheets filled with a "concrete" mix. Are you saying that you can swing an axe through a bank vault door?

The steel is not the only factor. That aside, your average gun safe is 12 gauge. 11 gauge is coming more into vogue, and many of your big name safes are 11 gauge. 10 gauge is usually considered "heavy" as far as most gun safes go, and this safe has two layers of it. My safe offers well over twice the protection than just about anything else in its price range.

The door is also a cumulative rating as well.

Yes it is. Everything is "cumulative" when it comes to security. Layers if you will. Even a basic gun safe door is cumulative. Why is that a negative?

Let's look at a typical gun safe. You have an outer layer of steel, usually a sheet of gypsum board, an inner steel door liner, a hard plate around the lock, the steel bridge that mounts the lock, the lock, then the relocker. That's cumulative.

My door is also cumulative, except there's a lot more steel in the door. If you really must know, this is a design used in safe construction to help thwart pry attacks.

If we are going with cumulative ratings then include the 14ga inner (0.0781") on the Sturdy giving them over 1/4" of steel on the body.

My safe still has the "concrete" which offers additional burglary resistance, and in the opinion of just about every safe manufacturer in the world, better fire resistance. That fire protection isn't just an option, and is included in the price.

Also Sturdy has a lifetime warranty against fire and theft

Gun safe manufacturers love their safe warranties.

Your homeowners or renters policy will also cover any safe you own against fire and theft. Since you would likely be making a claim with them anyway, why not just add the safe to the claim?

Insurance companies also tend to be easier to deal with, as they don't mess around with the small details. They will cover the entire loss. This would include opening your old safe, removing it, disposing of it, the new safe, bringing it in, and installing it.

Let's compare carpet to safes. If the carpet manufacturer offered a similar warranty they would ship you a new roll of carpet. Perhaps they would want the old carpet back. Depending on the company, you may have to pay freight on the carpet.

Your homeowners insurance doesn't just give you a roll of carpet to replace the damaged carpet. They tear the old carpet out, buy you new carpet, and have a professional install it. It's no different with safes.

and I know the tolerances on that Chinese safe won't be in the same league as the Sturdy.

You know that? How do you know that?

I will tell you that my safe started out as a commercial design. There are some features that are similar to those that Sturdy offers. When it comes to gun safes, it's built very well. It surpasses the Sturdy in several areas.

I'll keep it simple though. My safes offer a lot more safe for the money. More steel. More weight. More burglary protection. Fire protection included. Less Money. And this is only my opinion, but I think they look nicer than the Sturdy.