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Paul B. · November 1, 2013, 03:51 PM

"Same for 338-06 and 35 Whelen. They shoot heavier bullets, but offer zero advantages over 30-06 when it is loaded with the heavier .30 bullets. They offer very poor long range performance. And while they don't have magnum stamped on them, recoil is comparable to a 300 win mag."

I have to wonder if you've even shot any of the cartridges you've mentioned. For the record, I shoot the 30-06, .300 Win. mag. and the .35 Whelen alond some other more and less powderful. To say the .35's recoil is comperable to the .300 Win. mag. is, well baloney to keep it as civil as I can. My Winchester M70 at 8.5 pounds scoped kick noticably harder than my custom .35 Whelen at 7.5 pounds. I shoot hot loads as both rifles are serious hunting tools. A 225 gr. Barne TSX at 2710 FPS at the muzzle has serious smack down on anything that walks in North America and probably for much African game as well. So does a .300 Win. mag., especially with 200 gr. bullets at 2900 FPS. These are the velocities from my rifles.
I don't know exactly what the OP is looking for with his slightly more powerful than the 06 but I know what my rifles and their loads are capable of.
Funny thing, but a wise old gentleman once said, "The 30-06 is never a mistake." I tend to agree. I've seen where some have reached 2800 FPS with 180 gr. bullets using certain powder in the 06. I've tried reaching that level myself in 6 or 7 different rifles and most won't even reach advertised 2700 FPS.

Come to think of it, most factory loads don't come close. I once did a test shooting Winchester 180 gr. Power Point spitzer ammo in three 30-06 rifles. A 22" barreled Remington M700 BDL, a custom Mauser with 24" barrel and a Ruger #1B with 26" barrel. The Remington did 2610 FPS, the Mauser 2630 FPS and the Ruger did all of 2675 FPS.
Oh and don't call the .35 Whelen a short range gun. I dropped my last elk this last January at 350 yards. Not exactly punkin' ball range.

Paul B.

November 1, 2013, 03:51 PM	#63
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	"Same for 338-06 and 35 Whelen. They shoot heavier bullets, but offer zero advantages over 30-06 when it is loaded with the heavier .30 bullets. They offer very poor long range performance. And while they don't have magnum stamped on them, recoil is comparable to a 300 win mag." I have to wonder if you've even shot any of the cartridges you've mentioned. For the record, I shoot the 30-06, .300 Win. mag. and the .35 Whelen alond some other more and less powderful. To say the .35's recoil is comperable to the .300 Win. mag. is, well baloney to keep it as civil as I can. My Winchester M70 at 8.5 pounds scoped kick noticably harder than my custom .35 Whelen at 7.5 pounds. I shoot hot loads as both rifles are serious hunting tools. A 225 gr. Barne TSX at 2710 FPS at the muzzle has serious smack down on anything that walks in North America and probably for much African game as well. So does a .300 Win. mag., especially with 200 gr. bullets at 2900 FPS. These are the velocities from my rifles. I don't know exactly what the OP is looking for with his slightly more powerful than the 06 but I know what my rifles and their loads are capable of. Funny thing, but a wise old gentleman once said, "The 30-06 is never a mistake." I tend to agree. I've seen where some have reached 2800 FPS with 180 gr. bullets using certain powder in the 06. I've tried reaching that level myself in 6 or 7 different rifles and most won't even reach advertised 2700 FPS. Come to think of it, most factory loads don't come close. I once did a test shooting Winchester 180 gr. Power Point spitzer ammo in three 30-06 rifles. A 22" barreled Remington M700 BDL, a custom Mauser with 24" barrel and a Ruger #1B with 26" barrel. The Remington did 2610 FPS, the Mauser 2630 FPS and the Ruger did all of 2675 FPS. Oh and don't call the .35 Whelen a short range gun. I dropped my last elk this last January at 350 yards. Not exactly punkin' ball range. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!