OK for all of those of you who have been following this thread and have been very helpful and not called me an idiot here is a photo of my lousy crimps. With the roll crimps, when they come out of my Lee loader, they look fine, but within seconds the start to unroll and look like this. There is plenty of room in the hull for all the powder, wads and shot.
I am pretty sure the hulls have been skived because there is a definite bevel on the inside of the hull mouth. I'm going to try the modern roll crimper that was suggested while I look for an old original one. got to be better than this. Again thanks to all of you for your help and suggestions.
Terry