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Halfpint · February 28, 2000, 02:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sensop:
Hornady, 3rd Ed, Copywright 1980, ninth printing 1989. .17 Remington is very close to a .223 necked down to take a .172 bullet. Hornady only shows one bullet: 25 gr hollow point. Sect dens: .121. BC: .190. All loads are fired from a Rem Model 700, 24 in barrel, 1:10 twist. Rem brass and primers (sm rifle).

This little beauty STARTS at 3600 fps for all loads in this manual. 3900 fps is the most common max velocity (4100 fps for one load). Powders are IMR4198, RL7, IMR3031, BL-C2, W748, N203, IMR4064, IMR4895, H380, IMR4320, W760 and N204. From 17 grains all the way up to 28 grains. Looks like a pretty tolerant cartridge design.

The manual said that Hornady is the only bullet mfr still making the .172 bullet. They recommend the IMR 4320.

3900 fps! Whooo! That's a quick BB!

With a 200 yd zero at 3900 fps, starting at -1.5" at the muzzle, 1st zero at 50 yds, +0.9 at 100, +0.9 at 150, 2nd zero at 200, -2.0 at 250 and -5.5 at 300 yds. Peak of vertical rise is at 125 yds in this case. My guess is about 1.2" at 125 yds

A lot of cartridges shoot flatter. But, by all accounts ... no pelt damage. I never was curious enough or wealthy enough to spend big dollars on a specialized rifle/cartridge like this one.

[This message has been edited by sensop (edited February 22, 2000).][/quote]

Yep! One quick BB! But! It has one drawback. You've got to clean the danged thing around every 5th or 6th shot! (And I don't mean just pushing a few patches through it. I mean scrub, scrub, scrub!) A friend of mine has one and every time we go out to thin out the `pasture poodles' here on our farm he spends more time cleaning than he does shooting.

For coyotes I prefer .223 in a good semi-auto with a simple 4x or so scope so that just in case I have to snap off a second shot I can do it *quickly*. *If* I have the luxury of being able to set up where I can be where I am not right where they are possibly coming through I'll use my Browning `Varminter' in .223 with my Swift 6-18X 44 scope set at around 6x to 8x and try and take them right in `the boiler room'. However... Edsal Murphy being usually around it is usually the Daewoo DR-200 that gets the nod and the job.

I've tried in the past with my old Rem 788 in .222 and for some reason it just never seemed to quite be up to it. (I'm thinking about re-barreling it and chambering it for .221 Fireball to see if that will make any difference as it's a much easier to lug around gun than the Browning and should not damage those few good pelts that happen along. That and the fact that I could also carry my XP-100 and not have to lug along two different calibres of ammo? [Yeah... I *know* that I *could* just get another XP-100 in .223. {WAN GRIN!} But then I'd have to get SWMBO yet another new `toy', too! {CHORTLE!} She's already got all the sewing machines she wants and she hasn't found any new `artillery' that's `turned her crank' the last few gun shows we've been to. {GRIN!}])

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Doleo ergo sum,
-HALFPINT-

[This message has been edited by Halfpint (edited February 28, 2000).]

February 28, 2000, 02:45 AM	#16
Halfpint Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 1999 Location: About to be gobbled up by "The People's Republic of Firestone"! Posts: 224	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sensop: Hornady, 3rd Ed, Copywright 1980, ninth printing 1989. .17 Remington is very close to a .223 necked down to take a .172 bullet. Hornady only shows one bullet: 25 gr hollow point. Sect dens: .121. BC: .190. All loads are fired from a Rem Model 700, 24 in barrel, 1:10 twist. Rem brass and primers (sm rifle). This little beauty STARTS at 3600 fps for all loads in this manual. 3900 fps is the most common max velocity (4100 fps for one load). Powders are IMR4198, RL7, IMR3031, BL-C2, W748, N203, IMR4064, IMR4895, H380, IMR4320, W760 and N204. From 17 grains all the way up to 28 grains. Looks like a pretty tolerant cartridge design. The manual said that Hornady is the only bullet mfr still making the .172 bullet. They recommend the IMR 4320. 3900 fps! Whooo! That's a quick BB! With a 200 yd zero at 3900 fps, starting at -1.5" at the muzzle, 1st zero at 50 yds, +0.9 at 100, +0.9 at 150, 2nd zero at 200, -2.0 at 250 and -5.5 at 300 yds. Peak of vertical rise is at 125 yds in this case. My guess is about 1.2" at 125 yds A lot of cartridges shoot flatter. But, by all accounts ... no pelt damage. I never was curious enough or wealthy enough to spend big dollars on a specialized rifle/cartridge like this one. [This message has been edited by sensop (edited February 22, 2000).][/quote] Yep! One quick BB! But! It has one drawback. You've got to clean the danged thing around every 5th or 6th shot! (And I don't mean just pushing a few patches through it. I mean scrub, scrub, scrub!) A friend of mine has one and every time we go out to thin out the `pasture poodles' here on our farm he spends more time cleaning than he does shooting. For coyotes I prefer .223 in a good semi-auto with a simple 4x or so scope so that just in case I have to snap off a second shot I can do it quickly. If I have the luxury of being able to set up where I can be where I am not right where they are possibly coming through I'll use my Browning `Varminter' in .223 with my Swift 6-18X 44 scope set at around 6x to 8x and try and take them right in `the boiler room'. However... Edsal Murphy being usually around it is usually the Daewoo DR-200 that gets the nod and the job. I've tried in the past with my old Rem 788 in .222 and for some reason it just never seemed to quite be up to it. (I'm thinking about re-barreling it and chambering it for .221 Fireball to see if that will make any difference as it's a much easier to lug around gun than the Browning and should not damage those few good pelts that happen along. That and the fact that I could also carry my XP-100 and not have to lug along two different calibres of ammo? [Yeah... I know that I could just get another XP-100 in .223. {WAN GRIN!} But then I'd have to get SWMBO yet another new `toy', too! {CHORTLE!} She's already got all the sewing machines she wants and she hasn't found any new `artillery' that's `turned her crank' the last few gun shows we've been to. {GRIN!}]) ------------------ Doleo ergo sum, -HALFPINT- [This message has been edited by Halfpint (edited February 28, 2000).]