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pluspinc · January 27, 2000, 11:34 AM

A war story:

In the late 1960's I walked into a hallway of a building on routine business (working security job) where a resident had a female held with a knife to her throat. now you can come up with all of the "tactial" BS you want and all the options. The butcher knife was on its way to her throat.
Keep in mind he is about 65 years old, 5-7 and about 275 lbs. She is about the same age and thin.
I grabbed his arm and stopped the plunge. So far so good. I bent his arm as best I could and keep in mind I'm 6-6 and about 275 or so at the time.
We wrestled around and I knew the knife could slip and slash me. SO, I danced some more and my partner showed up hit the guy at the knees and he went down. My partner is about my size.
Once on the floor the guy wouldn't let go of the knife. So I beat on his hand. NO luck. Decided to get my gun out, but each time I moved he started to get up. My partner was over his waist and legs also holding the knife arm.
SO, I got my gun out, (model 10) and he started to move before I got it into position to shoot him, so I hit him with it. I hit him repeatedly causing blood to spray on the walls and us. He still hung onto the knife. I beat his hand and broke bones. In all honesty I forgot I could shoot him and was using the gun as a club. This is common and a normal response BTW. He kept the knife in his grip so I decided to shoot him. I got the gun behind his ear (our strength was about gone) and pulled the trigger. NOTHING! The unprotected ejection rod and crane were damaged. So I beat him some more.
He let go of the knife and two officers came into the building and told us to let him up. It looked like a butcher shop. Blood all over the walls, floor and us.
I warned them it wasn't a good idea. They disagreed and when I relaxed myself a split second he got up, hit both officers and drove both of them through two sets of glass doors, two other doors, down two sets of steps into the street. Took 5+ officers to get him into the wagon. He took 100+ stiches to close up his wounds, he went into a nut house and never came out.
When in such situations the best plans go to hell on you. It isn't like movies or gun rags that tell you what YOU will do. The thug has something to say about it, along with circumstances. You bet I should have done it different. Not much time for a flash sight picture, crush grip, speed rock, crapola. That only works at the range.
I still recall the address. 740 E. 16th St. near downtown Mpls.
I had a very similar experience last February while working my fun part time security job with a fellow who couldn't wear a necktie because it would cover his ears if you get the drift. The world is well populated by these types. My medical bills came to about $10K it looks like..praise the lord for workman's comp. Some folks only get pissed off if you shoot them. Gun rags don't tell us about those types.

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Specialists in the use and training of lethal force.

January 27, 2000, 11:34 AM	#14
pluspinc Junior member Join Date: December 30, 1999 Location: Mpls, MN. US Posts: 497	A war story: In the late 1960's I walked into a hallway of a building on routine business (working security job) where a resident had a female held with a knife to her throat. now you can come up with all of the "tactial" BS you want and all the options. The butcher knife was on its way to her throat. Keep in mind he is about 65 years old, 5-7 and about 275 lbs. She is about the same age and thin. I grabbed his arm and stopped the plunge. So far so good. I bent his arm as best I could and keep in mind I'm 6-6 and about 275 or so at the time. We wrestled around and I knew the knife could slip and slash me. SO, I danced some more and my partner showed up hit the guy at the knees and he went down. My partner is about my size. Once on the floor the guy wouldn't let go of the knife. So I beat on his hand. NO luck. Decided to get my gun out, but each time I moved he started to get up. My partner was over his waist and legs also holding the knife arm. SO, I got my gun out, (model 10) and he started to move before I got it into position to shoot him, so I hit him with it. I hit him repeatedly causing blood to spray on the walls and us. He still hung onto the knife. I beat his hand and broke bones. In all honesty I forgot I could shoot him and was using the gun as a club. This is common and a normal response BTW. He kept the knife in his grip so I decided to shoot him. I got the gun behind his ear (our strength was about gone) and pulled the trigger. NOTHING! The unprotected ejection rod and crane were damaged. So I beat him some more. He let go of the knife and two officers came into the building and told us to let him up. It looked like a butcher shop. Blood all over the walls, floor and us. I warned them it wasn't a good idea. They disagreed and when I relaxed myself a split second he got up, hit both officers and drove both of them through two sets of glass doors, two other doors, down two sets of steps into the street. Took 5+ officers to get him into the wagon. He took 100+ stiches to close up his wounds, he went into a nut house and never came out. When in such situations the best plans go to hell on you. It isn't like movies or gun rags that tell you what YOU will do. The thug has something to say about it, along with circumstances. You bet I should have done it different. Not much time for a flash sight picture, crush grip, speed rock, crapola. That only works at the range. I still recall the address. 740 E. 16th St. near downtown Mpls. I had a very similar experience last February while working my fun part time security job with a fellow who couldn't wear a necktie because it would cover his ears if you get the drift. The world is well populated by these types. My medical bills came to about $10K it looks like..praise the lord for workman's comp. Some folks only get pissed off if you shoot them. Gun rags don't tell us about those types. ------------------ Specialists in the use and training of lethal force.