I have to strongly disagree with you as will Unclenick on the new chemical
While not all may do what is advertised, Carbon Killer 2000 (just what it says) and Bore Tech eliminator which is oriented to copper but has a good carbon cleaner aspect do indeed work and work far better than the old stuff.
I've cleaned some really bad barrels up to new condition confirmed with a boroscope not looking down the boar which is misleading.
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