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Old May 7, 2019, 06:16 PM   #16
Theohazard
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Originally Posted by rep1954 View Post
I would think a virgin receiver AR Pistol with a OAL of more than 26" would be a "Firearm" without having to add a forward vertical grip.
If you read the definition of a “pistol”, notice that there’s no overall length limit. That’s why an LCP is a pistol, a 1911 is a pistol, a 7” barrel AR-15 made without a stock is a pistol, and a 27” OAL length AR-15 made without a stock is a pistol. But if you added a vertical foregrip to an LCP it would no longer be a pistol, just as if you added a VFG to a 27” OAL AR-15 it would also no longer be a pistol.

As for the VFG, note that under the definition of a pistol it needs to have been designed to be fired with the use of a single hand. Since there’s no clear dividing line where a pistol becomes too long to fire with the use of single hand, the ATF hasn’t pushed any regulations that limit the overall length of a pistol. But, the ATF has decided that the addition of a VFG to any pistol makes it cease to be a pistol since it’s now specifically designed to be shot with two hands. The reason why the ATF has decided that a pistol with a VFG under 26” OAL is an AOW and a pistol with a VFG over 26” OAL is a generic firearm is because 26” is the limit of concealability of a rifle and a shotgun under the NFA. And remember, an “AOW” is the catch-all category of NFA firearms and a generic “firearm” is the catch-all category of a non-NFA firearm.

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I guess a well defined "Firearm" definition is what I'm looking for and don't seem to be satisfied with what is supplied by the ATF.
There is no specific definition under federal law because a generic “firearm” is simply something that is legally a firearm under federal law but doesn’t fit into any of the specific firearm types.

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It's almost like saying rifled barrels are excluded from a gun configured to TAC-14 dimensions.
It simply comes down to the legal definition of a pistol. If you took a TAC-14 and configured it to fire a sub-.50 caliber pistol or rifle cartridge it would be a pistol. And that’s simply because it would fit under the definition of a pistol since a pistol is defined as being intended to fire a bullet, whereas a TAC-14 is designed to fire shotgun shells.
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