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Rachen · November 12, 2018, 04:33 PM

Like Marc McYoung had stated in his article "Territorial vs. Predatory Violence", posted on the No-Nonsense Self Defense site, a classic case of predatorial violence involves an attacker "closing in", making sure that there is as little space as possible between him and the intended victim, thus greatly limiting the victim's chance to get away or mount an effective counterattack. Most rapes and murders or attempted murder committed with contact weapons seem to be of this nature. So are gang attacks. What do they all have in common? They involve you as the unwitting participant and the more pinned down you are and the less you are able to move around, the better for the assailants.

Now the drills that are taught in classic defensive handgun combat, as in drawing from various positions, weapon retention to avoid the gun being seized by the assailant, and most importantly, firing for effect, all involve a sequence of events much like the proper procedures for pulling out of a parking space. Signal, check left mirror, check over shoulder, pull into traffic when coast is clear. In a competitive environment like a IDPA match, such procedures can be drilled into perfect execution. For one reason: It is still a controlled environment where everyone is in a perfectly regulated setting. NOW, try to execute the same clockwork procedures when someone much stronger and faster than you is right on top of you, landing punch after punch into your face with the intent to seriously injure and kill.

In such a situation, the best course of defensive preparation is to act instinctively. Which is easier said than done. FAR easier said than done. When your trusty .45ACP carry pistol loaded with Critical Duty ammo is still tucked deep in your jacket, and you are unable to draw it because the assailant has you in a complete bear hug, that pistol is useless. And until you can get to it, pull it out, and drive a 250 grain polymer tipped slug into the assailant's CNS and put him down and out of the fight, you are pretty much dead meat. It doesn't matter what kind of fancy and powerful weapons are available for personal defense. Good old fashioned CQB is not going away and should not be going away. In a contact range fight, you might not be able to deploy certain weapons especially if they are kept at places which are difficult to access, but you have one key advantage: The opponent is RIGHT THERE in front of you, all within contact. The key is to inflict as much BIOMECHANICAL DAMAGE on him as possible so two things can happen: ONE: The injuries from CQB techniques that you have inflicted on him becomes so severe that he succumbs from them alone, as would be definitely possible if you have an easily-deployed knife in your hand, or TWO: The pain forces him to back off temporarily, thus allowing you to deploy a handgun or much larger knife and finish the fight. In police work, this is often a commonly encountered situation, as police officers are required, by the nature of their job to "close in" on individuals such as raging drunks, emotionally disturbed people who are unarmed, etc... and restrain them and take them into custody. However in this process, other unintended and unforeseen consequences can result. What if there was a battle for the officer's service weapon? Often times a service weapon gets seized by the wrong hands are is used against the officer. And that has happened many, many times in law enforcement, to the point that retention holster are now required as part of a LEO's kit.

For a normal civilian, when a situation has grown into full-blown CQB, with life or death on the balance, a whole new perspective of combat is now in order. You are not fighting anymore to subdue, or restrain, or take into custody. You are fighting because if you don't, that guy is going to kill you. And most unfortunately, there is only one person who is going to come out of this alive: You or him. If you are the master of some exotic and mystical, highly lethal martial art that specializes in unarmed combat, that is great kudos for you. But for most others, the only way to seize an advantage over a far more aggressive assailant in a CQB situation would be with a weapon. Most often a contact weapon such as a knife. Even a handgun can be used as a very effective blunt impact tool and many articles had been written on how to fight hand to hand using a pistol to multiply the force of your punch. A weapon that is meant for CQB should be able to be deployed in an instant's notice. A tactical folding knife, placed in a side pant pocket where it is easily reached even if you are tackled and pinned to the ground, can be used to inflict devastating wounds on an assailant at contact range and in a grapple. There is a reason why military martial arts programs all involve the use of fighting knives and bayonets. These things are not going away anytime soon.

And that comes to the main idea of this post: A CQB weapon is only a CQB weapon if it can be accessed IMMEDIATELY. Tactical folding knives can be carried on belt clips and rather shallow pant pockets, allowing access by free arm at the sides of the body. During the Urumqi ethnic riots of 2009, a passenger inside a car that was being besieged by a sudden flash mob of Islamic terrorists managed to survive by using an assisted opener to his advantage. After the driver was dragged out and killed by the rioters, two of them went into the car in an attempt to do the same to the passenger. How did the passenger survive? He made himself as small a target as possible, cowering down in the space right under the car seats. This forced the attacker(s) to have to reach their arms out to get their hands on him. And when one of them did, he grabbed the terrorist's hand, and with his other hand, opened a fighting knife and drove it repeatedly into his armpit. As Terrorist Number 1 bled out, the passenger slammed the knife into Number 2's chest and neck, also inflicting fatal wounds. Somehow, the passenger managed to crawl into the driver's seat, fighting all the way, and gunned the accelerator, sending the car forward and crushing several more rioters. Blinded by blood on his face, the man drove until he crashed into the side of a building, and then staggered out of the vehicle and hunkered down under an overturned vendor stand. People's Liberation Army soldiers found him several hours later and brought him to a hospital. What is the lesson learned here? When you make yourself as small as possible, you force an attacker to OPEN UP his vulnerable spots as he now must work harder and reach farther to get to you. Unprotected vital organs, arteries and veins does not last very long in an counterattack involving a knife. Finding a narrow hiding space but with enough width to maneuver around, like an open closet does that pretty remarkably. That has been taught in a number of Chinese and Filipino knife-defense courses.

The above is just ONE of many incidents in a riot which pretty much burned a city down. The place where this man was picked up? Right up a street from where my own cousin had his bookstore and was covering the entrance and the 100+ people who were taking shelter inside with a hunting bow. Four dead terrorists were found just outside the front gate with complete pass-through wound channels from broadhead arrows. Teaching that kid how to shoot paid off pretty good, seems like. Now, analyzing the nature and scope of these events, it boils down to this: You can train a lifetime to prepare yourself for situations like these, but training can only get you so far. The other part of the equation is do you have "it"? That is what Marc McYoung refers to as the sheer primal instinct to survive. And to survive means that you have to carve the other guy up into mincemeat. A lot of college studs that morning with nothing except textbooks and iPods in their bags did not even have time to react when the first rioters started hacking at people with machetes, near the campus of Urumqi Technical and Engineering. Surveillance videos showed some people who might have had time to run or fight simply stood there and let themselves get carved up. Can't really blame them because for an untrained person the body has a tendency to "freeze up" when facing situations like this. Tunnel vision takes over. Many videos showing flash-mob style gang assaults prove this.

So by mentioning "training to fight", we are not really training on fighting techniques or fighting styles, but the majority of the training seems to be psychological preparation, to FORCE the mind to unfreeze and act. Bottom line is , you are actually training to overcome one of the useless defense mechanisms the body has inherited from evolution, and instead, conditioning yourself to start moving and reacting fast when the turds start hitting the fan. Because when the riot and burning spread to other parts of the city by noon, there were plenty of accounts of how people who were unwittingly tangled into the storm survived: Some stabbed their would-be killers. Others shot them, bludgeoned them to death or ran them over with vehicles. By the time the regional PLA combat division and armed police (WUJING) secured the scene up to 40 rioters were dead. (CCTV 13 Coverage of riots) Of these around half were killed by responding authorities. Small numbers in a much larger arena where over 200 innocent people were butchered but enough to study the nature of CQB combat and how to increase your chances of survival in such an event.

The nature of a predatory attack is unpredictable and the only effective countermeasure is to react quickly and instinctively, and preferably with a tool that can multiply and concentrate the force of a blow. Now instead of just punching the assailant in the face while trying to dislodge his weight off from above you, you are punching him with a knife in your hand. And I think even a drugged up psycho would notice the effects rather quickly. After all, a catastrophic drop in blood pressure due to blood loss doesn't just buff out with a couple of Band-Aids. It is one thing to be proficient at defensive pistol techniques at traditional confrontation distances. It is a whole new playing field when you are boxed in, with the body weight of the perpetrator doing to boxing in. Just because you live in a safe neighborhood, in a "democratic" country does not mean that incidents like these will not happen. Violent crimes involving kidnapping, control and bodily harm often falls into this category of violence. And when certain political atmospheres cause people to gang up and take out their frustrations on other people who they believe are inferior to their ideologies, a whole new game of poker has now been started.

Sources taken from:
Marc McYoung main hub:
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/
On the nature of Territorial vs. Predatory Violence: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com...teurknifer.htm

November 12, 2018, 04:33 PM	#1
Rachen Senior Member Join Date: May 10, 2006 Location: Weekend cowboy Posts: 542	Predatory Violence: How prepared are you in a close-quarter confrontation? Like Marc McYoung had stated in his article "Territorial vs. Predatory Violence", posted on the No-Nonsense Self Defense site, a classic case of predatorial violence involves an attacker "closing in", making sure that there is as little space as possible between him and the intended victim, thus greatly limiting the victim's chance to get away or mount an effective counterattack. Most rapes and murders or attempted murder committed with contact weapons seem to be of this nature. So are gang attacks. What do they all have in common? They involve you as the unwitting participant and the more pinned down you are and the less you are able to move around, the better for the assailants. Now the drills that are taught in classic defensive handgun combat, as in drawing from various positions, weapon retention to avoid the gun being seized by the assailant, and most importantly, firing for effect, all involve a sequence of events much like the proper procedures for pulling out of a parking space. Signal, check left mirror, check over shoulder, pull into traffic when coast is clear. In a competitive environment like a IDPA match, such procedures can be drilled into perfect execution. For one reason: It is still a controlled environment where everyone is in a perfectly regulated setting. NOW, try to execute the same clockwork procedures when someone much stronger and faster than you is right on top of you, landing punch after punch into your face with the intent to seriously injure and kill. In such a situation, the best course of defensive preparation is to act instinctively. Which is easier said than done. FAR easier said than done. When your trusty .45ACP carry pistol loaded with Critical Duty ammo is still tucked deep in your jacket, and you are unable to draw it because the assailant has you in a complete bear hug, that pistol is useless. And until you can get to it, pull it out, and drive a 250 grain polymer tipped slug into the assailant's CNS and put him down and out of the fight, you are pretty much dead meat. It doesn't matter what kind of fancy and powerful weapons are available for personal defense. Good old fashioned CQB is not going away and should not be going away. In a contact range fight, you might not be able to deploy certain weapons especially if they are kept at places which are difficult to access, but you have one key advantage: The opponent is RIGHT THERE in front of you, all within contact. The key is to inflict as much BIOMECHANICAL DAMAGE on him as possible so two things can happen: ONE: The injuries from CQB techniques that you have inflicted on him becomes so severe that he succumbs from them alone, as would be definitely possible if you have an easily-deployed knife in your hand, or TWO: The pain forces him to back off temporarily, thus allowing you to deploy a handgun or much larger knife and finish the fight. In police work, this is often a commonly encountered situation, as police officers are required, by the nature of their job to "close in" on individuals such as raging drunks, emotionally disturbed people who are unarmed, etc... and restrain them and take them into custody. However in this process, other unintended and unforeseen consequences can result. What if there was a battle for the officer's service weapon? Often times a service weapon gets seized by the wrong hands are is used against the officer. And that has happened many, many times in law enforcement, to the point that retention holster are now required as part of a LEO's kit. For a normal civilian, when a situation has grown into full-blown CQB, with life or death on the balance, a whole new perspective of combat is now in order. You are not fighting anymore to subdue, or restrain, or take into custody. You are fighting because if you don't, that guy is going to kill you. And most unfortunately, there is only one person who is going to come out of this alive: You or him. If you are the master of some exotic and mystical, highly lethal martial art that specializes in unarmed combat, that is great kudos for you. But for most others, the only way to seize an advantage over a far more aggressive assailant in a CQB situation would be with a weapon. Most often a contact weapon such as a knife. Even a handgun can be used as a very effective blunt impact tool and many articles had been written on how to fight hand to hand using a pistol to multiply the force of your punch. A weapon that is meant for CQB should be able to be deployed in an instant's notice. A tactical folding knife, placed in a side pant pocket where it is easily reached even if you are tackled and pinned to the ground, can be used to inflict devastating wounds on an assailant at contact range and in a grapple. There is a reason why military martial arts programs all involve the use of fighting knives and bayonets. These things are not going away anytime soon. And that comes to the main idea of this post: A CQB weapon is only a CQB weapon if it can be accessed IMMEDIATELY. Tactical folding knives can be carried on belt clips and rather shallow pant pockets, allowing access by free arm at the sides of the body. During the Urumqi ethnic riots of 2009, a passenger inside a car that was being besieged by a sudden flash mob of Islamic terrorists managed to survive by using an assisted opener to his advantage. After the driver was dragged out and killed by the rioters, two of them went into the car in an attempt to do the same to the passenger. How did the passenger survive? He made himself as small a target as possible, cowering down in the space right under the car seats. This forced the attacker(s) to have to reach their arms out to get their hands on him. And when one of them did, he grabbed the terrorist's hand, and with his other hand, opened a fighting knife and drove it repeatedly into his armpit. As Terrorist Number 1 bled out, the passenger slammed the knife into Number 2's chest and neck, also inflicting fatal wounds. Somehow, the passenger managed to crawl into the driver's seat, fighting all the way, and gunned the accelerator, sending the car forward and crushing several more rioters. Blinded by blood on his face, the man drove until he crashed into the side of a building, and then staggered out of the vehicle and hunkered down under an overturned vendor stand. People's Liberation Army soldiers found him several hours later and brought him to a hospital. What is the lesson learned here? When you make yourself as small as possible, you force an attacker to OPEN UP his vulnerable spots as he now must work harder and reach farther to get to you. Unprotected vital organs, arteries and veins does not last very long in an counterattack involving a knife. Finding a narrow hiding space but with enough width to maneuver around, like an open closet does that pretty remarkably. That has been taught in a number of Chinese and Filipino knife-defense courses. The above is just ONE of many incidents in a riot which pretty much burned a city down. The place where this man was picked up? Right up a street from where my own cousin had his bookstore and was covering the entrance and the 100+ people who were taking shelter inside with a hunting bow. Four dead terrorists were found just outside the front gate with complete pass-through wound channels from broadhead arrows. Teaching that kid how to shoot paid off pretty good, seems like. Now, analyzing the nature and scope of these events, it boils down to this: You can train a lifetime to prepare yourself for situations like these, but training can only get you so far. The other part of the equation is do you have "it"? That is what Marc McYoung refers to as the sheer primal instinct to survive. And to survive means that you have to carve the other guy up into mincemeat. A lot of college studs that morning with nothing except textbooks and iPods in their bags did not even have time to react when the first rioters started hacking at people with machetes, near the campus of Urumqi Technical and Engineering. Surveillance videos showed some people who might have had time to run or fight simply stood there and let themselves get carved up. Can't really blame them because for an untrained person the body has a tendency to "freeze up" when facing situations like this. Tunnel vision takes over. Many videos showing flash-mob style gang assaults prove this. So by mentioning "training to fight", we are not really training on fighting techniques or fighting styles, but the majority of the training seems to be psychological preparation, to FORCE the mind to unfreeze and act. Bottom line is , you are actually training to overcome one of the useless defense mechanisms the body has inherited from evolution, and instead, conditioning yourself to start moving and reacting fast when the turds start hitting the fan. Because when the riot and burning spread to other parts of the city by noon, there were plenty of accounts of how people who were unwittingly tangled into the storm survived: Some stabbed their would-be killers. Others shot them, bludgeoned them to death or ran them over with vehicles. By the time the regional PLA combat division and armed police (WUJING) secured the scene up to 40 rioters were dead. (CCTV 13 Coverage of riots) Of these around half were killed by responding authorities. Small numbers in a much larger arena where over 200 innocent people were butchered but enough to study the nature of CQB combat and how to increase your chances of survival in such an event. The nature of a predatory attack is unpredictable and the only effective countermeasure is to react quickly and instinctively, and preferably with a tool that can multiply and concentrate the force of a blow. Now instead of just punching the assailant in the face while trying to dislodge his weight off from above you, you are punching him with a knife in your hand. And I think even a drugged up psycho would notice the effects rather quickly. After all, a catastrophic drop in blood pressure due to blood loss doesn't just buff out with a couple of Band-Aids. It is one thing to be proficient at defensive pistol techniques at traditional confrontation distances. It is a whole new playing field when you are boxed in, with the body weight of the perpetrator doing to boxing in. Just because you live in a safe neighborhood, in a "democratic" country does not mean that incidents like these will not happen. Violent crimes involving kidnapping, control and bodily harm often falls into this category of violence. And when certain political atmospheres cause people to gang up and take out their frustrations on other people who they believe are inferior to their ideologies, a whole new game of poker has now been started. Sources taken from: Marc McYoung main hub: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/ On the nature of Territorial vs. Predatory Violence: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com...teurknifer.htm Last edited by Rachen; November 12, 2018 at 09:07 PM.