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Idahosd, I'm curious as to which parts are trolling or alcohol induced? The part about having a proper cheek weld maybe? Or about scout scopes and red dots? Maybe you're offended by the crippling comment because of your extensive use of lever actions?

Ohhh, maybe you like glassing with a loaded rifle and don't care who or what you point your rifle at? Or maybe you think scopes are magical devices and are sold on the marketing hype of them gathering light?

The minishot being mounted on a lever was what caught my eye, since reddots had been brought up in this thread AND skinner peep sights. Since I was looking at what mr skinner had and saw the mini shot mounted I figured I'd pass that along. I didn't go googling reddots or even offer up that sight as being the best reddot available. Unless you know of more places that make low profile mounts for lever actions, you can keep your rehashed amazon reviews to a relevant thread. Or read post #60 where the reddot I DID suggest is. Maybe you could review them after another impressive example of your marksmanship using a scoped rifle at archery distances?

I couldn't care less if you chose to hammer in screws with a saw. You do what you like with your time. But if you're going to be sitting in a stand using a scoped rifle, you might want to use something made for a scope. It doesn't matter what your eye relief is if you still have to bobble head looking for your reticle. It doesn't matter how good you zeroed or what kind of scope you have if you can't get a repeatable sight picture. I'd hope 40 years of hunting taught you that.

Furthermore, since you are ignorent of hunting with pistol cartridges, let me educate you a bit.... Nevermind, I'm a pill popping drunk just out to troll. Here, read this instead you probably don't know who paco kelly is, but use your google fu and you'll find out.

"A better comparison indicator for me, of where a handloaded round is in the scale of killing ability...is to compare it’s standing against other rounds without the over rated muzzle energy figures. If you multiply the velocity times the bullet weight, and then divide by 7000 (number of grains in a lb, it’s the old Keith method) you get a better picture of actual power/killing levels compared to other rounds. 2000 X 275 div 7000 = KS(Killing Scale) of 79 for this 45 long Colt load from the Rossi 1892. A 44 magnum Ruger revolver with a 275 grain (same nose shape) cast WFN bullet at 1400 FPS velocity reaches a level of KS 55, and that’s a heavy handgun load that’s harvests larger medium game very well.

A 30-30 with a 170 gr bullet at 2200 FPS gives a level of power ranking at KS 53.4... ahh yes dear reader, the 44 mag from a long gun really does have more power at 100 yards than a 30-30/170 commercial load. Of course the 44 mag/275 gr. load above from a rifle, at basically the same velocity as the 275 gr./45 long Colt from a rifle has the same killing level potential as the 45 long Colt. There are difficulties with all measuring methods of bullet energy and killing ability since so much more is involved than just velocity and weight...but this works for me when we are comparing the same bullet shape/content and construct with changes in weight or velocity.

The neat thing about this method is you can take the down range velocities all the way out to your longest range and compare them with the down range velocities of other rounds, calibers and see the changes compared to each other. The 45 long Colt at 100 yards has slowed to 1600 FPS and the killing level has dropped to almost KS of 63 from 79. Where the 30-30 load has dropped to 1930FPS to a KS 46 from 53.4.....that should make a few yell ‘foul...can’t be’, but it is! And from my use of these 45 loads in the field for years on large game....I can tell you it is.....! As many gunwriters have stated over the years, a 44 mag or heavy loaded 45 long Colt fired from a rifle is more powerful than a 30-30 at 100 yards....actually they are more powerful than the great 30-30, at a lot further than 100 yards.....

So the next time someone states the 44 mag and 45 long Colt from rifles only has an advantage over the 30-30 under 100 yards...show him the error of his reality. But remember bullet drop with the larger calibers, is more than the 308 calibers ....But that never bothered me....mainly because I started rifle shooting without scopes and learned how to compensate....scopes were far from being seen, much less using them, when we were boys."