3" 7 1/2s. I love my little .410 Rem. 11-48 for quail & doves but I have been bird hunting for 30 yrs. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but it is a caliber for the "experienced". I think you are going to be much happier if you get yourself a 20 or 12 gauge. you can find a used Rem. 870 or Mossberg 500 for @ 200.00. You will be glad you did, especially if you decide to duck hunt, deer hunt, or kill some of these damned pigs (please) we have in TX.
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