CDW4ME you just seem bent on comparing apples to oranges insted of apples to apples. Anyone can compare a special load to a regular load to make their case but stick to a heads up comparison. Seriously?.The average factory 147g 9mm has a velocity of 1010 with an ME of 333 ft/lbs. The average 145g 357 mag has a velocity of 1290 and an ME of 535 ft/lbs. 357 wins. If your going to use a 9mm hot load then use a 357 hot load. Either way the 9mm can't compare to the 357 mag and this isn't really news to anyone. That would be like me comparing a 300g 45 colt to a 300g 454 Casull in my SRH Ruger. No comparison.