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Originally Posted by madmag
Anyway, the crime rate for that day at that Waffle House was reduced by about 100%.
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No, it wasn't. A violent crime was committed: Attempted armed robbery. That is a crime, it makes the crime rate go up.
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Originally Posted by musher
source?
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Sources:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/116969
Says that studies that say that more concealed guns reduce crime are "suspect".
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPag...v=13&id=&page=
"... no basis for drawing confident conclusions about the impact of right-to-carry laws on violent crime."
http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/pa...nLaws-1998.pdf
"... results suggest that shall-issue laws have resulted, if anything, an increase in adult homicide rates"
http://hercules.gcsu.edu/~jswinton/E...Deterrence.pdf
"The benefits that a county obtains from its state passing a shail-issue concealed-handgun law are generally stronger than those found in previous work. Spillover effects on neighboring areas are almost always deleterious."
In other words, counties benefit, but it seems that crime just moves elsewhere instead of reducing.
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Originally Posted by madmag
Good question. One thing for sure, some of the areas with the strongest gun control are some of the highest gun crime areas in the country.
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Violent crime rate for Anchorage, Alaska (no permit required for concealed carry) in 2005: 735.6 per 100,000. (
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ak.html)
Violent crime rate for New York City (no concealed carry allowed) in 2008: 444.4 per 100,000. (
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm)
Crime is not as simple as allowing concealed handguns. This brings me back to my original point: we should not try to make the argument that carrying concealed handguns reduces crime. We need to say that it stops crime from happening to law abiding innocent people.