[scottycoyote]

thanks blindstitch.......i dont really care about wood or condition so much (i mean i want a decentgun for $2k) its more about what people consider the best in those classes of guns. I think most guns would have the kind of features im looking for (at least 30" barrels, extended chokes, easily adjustable for fit, etc) so it comes down to do i get a new beretta model X.....or do people feel the old beretta model Y is the better gun (especially when you factor in the old Y is going to be cheaper than the new X). I kind of consider myself a browning man, but i was recently in cabelas and they had a pretty sweet older used silver pigeon with the adjustable comb on the stock.....trying to get down to a short list of models to start my search