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M1911 · October 7, 2000, 08:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glamdring:

And I don't know how one could literally prove they were not a criminal? You could do a background check on someone but to be even halfway serious would require a fair bit of money and time. You would need to KNOW vs taking their word for it on were they had lived and what their name(s) had been.

How much of that is due to skill of the officers opponent and how much to lack of skill on the officers part? Or the fact that the LEO worked five 12 hour shifts in a row?[/quote]

Glamdring:

Actually, the background check takes no money at all. All the person has to do is go to the local police station or send a request in writing to a state agency (here in MA it is the Criminal Systems History Board), and they get it for free. Then they show it to me. Yes, it isn't perfect. But it will catch a lot. And if they already have a CCW, then the background check is not needed, since if they had a felony conviction they wouldn't have the CCW.

Unfortunately, while some police agencies have excellent training for handgun retention, many do not.

Regarding firearms training, most of the major firearms training schools (LFI, Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, etc.) have a similar requirement to attend their classes: a CCW, letter from a police chief, etc.

Why is it that you think this is such a problem, Glamdring?

M1911

[This message has been edited by M1911 (edited October 07, 2000).]

October 7, 2000, 08:06 PM	#17
M1911 Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2000 Posts: 4,055	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glamdring: And I don't know how one could literally prove they were not a criminal? You could do a background check on someone but to be even halfway serious would require a fair bit of money and time. You would need to KNOW vs taking their word for it on were they had lived and what their name(s) had been. How much of that is due to skill of the officers opponent and how much to lack of skill on the officers part? Or the fact that the LEO worked five 12 hour shifts in a row?[/quote] Glamdring: Actually, the background check takes no money at all. All the person has to do is go to the local police station or send a request in writing to a state agency (here in MA it is the Criminal Systems History Board), and they get it for free. Then they show it to me. Yes, it isn't perfect. But it will catch a lot. And if they already have a CCW, then the background check is not needed, since if they had a felony conviction they wouldn't have the CCW. Unfortunately, while some police agencies have excellent training for handgun retention, many do not. Regarding firearms training, most of the major firearms training schools (LFI, Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, etc.) have a similar requirement to attend their classes: a CCW, letter from a police chief, etc. Why is it that you think this is such a problem, Glamdring? M1911 [This message has been edited by M1911 (edited October 07, 2000).]