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Old August 4, 2007, 08:55 AM   #1
FirstFreedom
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New Rules re: calibers allowed for deer hunting are a little strange

This year the rules read:

Quote:
Legal Means of Taking:

Rifles: Centerfire rifles firing at least a 55 grain weight soft-nosed or hollow-point bullet and having an overall cartridge case length of 1 1/4 inches or longer (9mm rifles are not legal). [....]
Muzzleloaders: .40 caliber or larger
Shotguns: 20 gauge or larger, firing a single rifled slug are legal
Centerfire Handguns: Chambered for .24 caliber or larger and 100 grain or heavier soft-nosed bullet having an overall cartridge case length of 1 1/4 inches or longer are legal (.357 or larger) [note: presumably they mean a case length the size of .357 magnum, though they didn't use the word "mag" there], and a minimum barrel length of four inches.
Semi-automatic handguns: Chambered for any centerfire ammunition with a 100-grain or heavier soft-nosed bullet and having a cartridge case size of .40 caliber or larger (includes 10mm, .357 sig, and .40 cal. or larger) , and a minimum barrel length of four inches.
Handguns chambered for any centerfire rifle ammunition: Chambered for any centerfire rifle ammunition using at least a 55 grain soft-nosed bullet and having an overal cartridge case length of 1 1/4 inches or longer and minimum barrel length of four inches.
Italics emphasis is mine, and brackets are added by me.

I find several things odd or worthy of comment here.

First thing that jumps out is that a .357 sig handgun is legal, but a 9mm rifle is illegal (nevermind that the 9mm rifle would be much easier to make accurate hits with, and have more power). But this idea is expanded on greatly below, when you stretch the rules to their logical conclusion....

Second, you can use a .223 rifle with a hollow point, but a .223 handgun must have a soft-point, not a hollow point. OK, that sounds reasonable, actually.

Now, to delve into this a little more, presumably, the "Centerfire handguns" section refers ONLY to centerfire *pistol cartridge* handguns, since there's a specific section pertaining to "centerfire rifle ammunition"-using handguns. You could use a round that is a .357 mag case necked to .243 in a handgun, as long as it had a 100 grain bullet. And they don't define precisely what IS a handgun chambered for centerfire *RIFLE AMMUNITION*. What is a "rifle round" and what is a "handgun round"? Evidently you can use a .22 hornet (being a rifle round), out of a HANDGUN, if you can manage to cram a 55 grainer into your handload, but you could NOT use:
-a .32 H&R magnum with a 110 grain bullet out of either a handgun or a rifle, since it is a pistol round with a case length less than 1.25", OR a
-.38 special, with a 158 or 180 gr bullet, out of a handgun or even a rifle, since the case length is only 1.155", OR even a
-.44 special, with a 250 or 300 grain bullet, out of a handgun or even a rifle, since the case length is only 1.16" and it's not a semi-auto handgun, and it's not a "rifle" round!

Also, in the section specific to semi-auto handguns, what exactly is ".40 caliber or larger" handgun round? We can safely assume they are referring to case size, not bullet size, since they use .357 sig as an example of a legal round, but does it mean case length or overall powder capacity? At first glance, you might think it means powder capacity, but no that cannot be the case, since, once again, a .357 sig has *slightly* less powder capacity than a .40, and yet it's specifically listed as legal. So then that must mean that the round has a case length the length of a ".40" (presumably they mean a .40 smith & wesson round). Well, a .40 s&w case is .850" long, so that must mean that a .38 super is ok, having a case length of .900. Also, since the requirement on semi-auto handguns has no minimum caliber size (only a minimum weight of 100 gr and minimum case length of .850), you can also use, apparently, a round that is a .40 s&w necked down to .30 cal (.308), using a 100 or 110 grain .30 carbine bullet. You could even use a round that is a .38 super necked down to .30 caliber, since a .38 super case is longer than a .40 s&w case, or for that matter a .38 special necked down to .30 caliber, *as long as* you can make it function in a semi-auto!

So the bottom line of absurdity here seems to be that you COULD use a .38 super round necked to .30 cal using a 100 gr bullet out of a 4" semi-auto handgun, or a .22 hornet with a 55 grain soft point out of a NON-semi-auto 4" handgun, BUT you can NOT use a .44 special in a 20" levergun loaded with 300 grain semi-jacketed or cast lead, wide meplat FN or HP bullets.

We're just not overly brainy down here in okie-homie, are we?

I know, too much caffiene.....

Last edited by FirstFreedom; August 4, 2007 at 10:07 AM.
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