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Originally Posted by Bizzy
my gun buddies hate 9mm and think they're useless
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It appears your gun buddies don't know much about guns. I would find some new gun buddies if I were you.
I see this kind of thing all the time: These guys have a few guns and they know a few gun facts and a whole lot of gun myths. And their new-shooter friends don't realize this and take everything they say and do as fact. And so they pass on their rumors, myths, and terrible gun handling skills to the new shooters.