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Old March 11, 2011, 10:06 PM   #12
Double Naught Spy
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When hunting all of my rifles are cold and clean if the POI is so different that I have to shoot fouling shots then I probably wont keep it and let some one else have that problem
It is interesting you should say that. Based on what I have seen of many hunters, they don't shoot well enough to know the difference. Apparently, lots of folks know such people, some even worse than my BIL (see link). I am not saying that you are a bad shot, but simply saying that I can't evaluate what that criterion means because it could have an extremely great amount of variability depending on the hunter.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401369

Of course, some folks are shooting a large region of the animal, an area something like 4-8" in diameter and they shoot out to 100 yards.
Here are some target examples.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...t:429,r:10,s:0

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1042&bih=583

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...tx=457&ty=-212

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1042&bih=583

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1042&bih=583

A bunch still miss. I have pistol that will shoot that good (usually by somebody other than me, but I have seen it done with my guns). I have taken to shooting a particular spot as I like to CNS head shoot my hogs. If not using a .45-70, CNS head shots seem to do a better job of DRT than vital organ shots. It means making a shot where the target is maybe 2" in diameter. That's it.

Having a rifle go from a 1 MOA to a 2, 3, or 4 MOA gun probably won't matter for most hunters for the first shot because anywhere in that 4-8" diameter area is probably considered just fine and dandy by them them as a "good shot" and for all practical purposes, it may be, and inside 100 yards it certainly won't matter for them. A tremendous number shoot inside of 50 yards and even with a 4 MOA gun, a vital organ/shoulder shot will look to be exactly where placed.

Note some clean bore observations...
http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...lean+bore+zero

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...lean+bore+zero
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