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I tried the bergers and with some tlc i got them to shoot really well in my 7 rem mag but when I tested them for expansion they came undone turning to schrapnel which is what they were designed to do, I ceased production of them and gave the rest of what I had to the guys at benchmark barrels, they have there place and IMO its long range target shooting. I personally want a bullet that will dependably expand and retain most of its weight, the nosler accubonds have worked really well for me
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