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sigcurious · March 18, 2013, 08:42 PM

Really, which branches? Ruby Ridge and Waco were both primarily ATF and FBI issues. Even if the ATF or FBI were under DHS, it is specious to attribute their failures to an entire organization that did not even exist at the time of those events.

I may not have a background in aviation, but your appeal to authority and specious statements do not support a counter argument. I am not saying the government never has been or ever will be bad, what I am saying is the mere presence of objects does not indicate or make the government any more or less fallible.

March 18, 2013, 08:42 PM	#104
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2011 Posts: 1,755	Really, which branches? Ruby Ridge and Waco were both primarily ATF and FBI issues. Even if the ATF or FBI were under DHS, it is specious to attribute their failures to an entire organization that did not even exist at the time of those events. I may not have a background in aviation, but your appeal to authority and specious statements do not support a counter argument. I am not saying the government never has been or ever will be bad, what I am saying is the mere presence of objects does not indicate or make the government any more or less fallible.