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ok sorry should have went further detail in original post: torch was laying untouched pointed at the brass and these didn't even make it 8 seconds. It was more like 6.5 seconds then took off. 8 seconds was a little too much red
***I guess only more consistant they could be, would be the timing since the torch was stable and the drill was stable and the speed was slow enough not to cause any case wobble
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