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Old August 21, 2012, 02:06 PM   #3
Frank Ettin
Join Date: November 23, 2005
Location: California - San Francisco
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Originally Posted by Wyosmith
...In EVERY case of an "active shooter attack" (and in nearly every case of a madman attacking people with weapons other than firearms) in which 4 or more people attacked the criminal within the first 1-2 minutes the criminal was subdued and/or killed.
When that happens the media either ignores it or gives it a pass-by so short most people don’t notice and few remember...
Then please provide evidence/documentation/sources validating this claim.

Originally Posted by Wyosmith
...These facts are conclusive and are compiled from hundreds of cases gathered from over 20 countries and spans a time period of over 50 years...
Then provide sources and establish that the sources are valid.

Originally Posted by Wyosmith
...In EVERY case of what we now call "active shooter" where 4 or more people attacked their assailant the people won. EVERY CASE..
Again, provide evidence, documentation and sources.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that in some cases a more aggressive defense would be a better idea. But you are claiming certain specific things are "facts". They are not, however, facts just because you say they are. You must prove them. As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
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