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Old July 29, 2012, 08:20 PM   #5
Frank Ettin
Join Date: November 23, 2005
Location: California - San Francisco
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Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer
Please demonstrate through citation how elected officials are exempt from the law. We don't need unproven assertions....
Exactly right.

And in that vein, rts99, please support the following claims:
Originally Posted by rts99
After studying the briefs in a number of 2nd Amendment cases it appears to me that the basis of the argument from the Gun Control side is that all gun owners are potential criminals....
Exactly where in any brief does either side argue anything like that?
Originally Posted by rts99
...they claim that all men are guilty until proven innocent...
Who argued anything like that? Where? How?
Originally Posted by rts99
...It appears that the left wants to outlaw man...
And exactly how do you reach that conclusion from anything in any of the 2nd Amendment cases briefs?
Originally Posted by rts99
...The fundamental basis of our laws and our society are the exact opposite. Innocent until proven guilty...
And that is flatly an untrue statement. "Innocent until proven guilty", which is more correctly referred to as the presumption of innocence, is simply a legal rule affecting the burden of proof in a criminal trial. At a criminal trial the prosecution has the burden of proving all the elements of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt; and should the prosecution fail to do so, the defendant is, because of the presumption of innocence, entitled as a matter of law to an acquittal.

If you wish to discuss the philosophical underpinnings of gun laws, and their defects, you really ought to better educate yourself in the law and the way the law works so that you'll be able to do so in a sensible manner.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
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