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Old January 17, 2012, 03:56 PM   #9
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A little more back story on my experience with pistol permits in NY "back in the day".

As a result of a car accident where both my father and mother were injured (thank fully only slightly) we got to thinking about what would happen if Dad was lost to us, as he was the only permit holder in the household. So we checked into it. What we found was, that without a permit holder in the house (and who's permit listed dad's handguns) they would have to be surrendered to the police.

The State police would hold them for a set period of time (and I no longer recall if it was 30 or 60 or 90 days), and then, if no one was permitted for them, destroy them. The county Sherriff would hold them, and if a permit was applied for, hold them until the permit process was complete (destroying them onely if the permit application was denied).

SO, Mom immediately applied for her permit, listing Dad's guns (he had 6 IIRC). She got it. And both my brother and I applied when we turned 18, listing all the handguns in the house on our applications. 18 was the lowest age our local judge would approve a permit for, and then, only under special circumstances, like the ones we were in, where existing permitted guns would be lost without a permit holder for them.

If you didn't already have a pistol, he wouldn't approve a permit unless you were 21 or older.

Federal law is that you cannot buy a handgun from a dealer unless you are 21, and I think it is NY state law as well.

In those days, the application required 5 sets of fingerprints, 4 photographs, and 3 character references, and after the investigation(s) were complete, then the application went before a judge for approval, or denial, entirely at the judge's discretion. And that was for a permit to posess, and for open carry (when and where allowed).

There was no state law that required you to be 21 to have a permit, it was up to the issuing judge. Also, at that time, there was no concealed carry permit for regular folks, you had to be police or security guard, again, up to the judge. I understand that has changed in the years since, and ordinary folks can get CCW permits now days (again, I assume, up to the issuing judge).

Peetzakiller is entirely correct, under the NY law, no one who does not have a specific pistol listed on their permit is allowed to even handle the specific gun (and the guns are listed on the permit by make, caliber and serial number - and back in the 70s, also by barrel length - although I could never understand the reason behind that particular requirement).

And, while this is the letter of the law, I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for swapping guns to shoot on the range. CARRYING a friends pistol (that you do not have listed on your permit) is another matter entirely!

Getting someone else's pistol listed on your permit was a simple matter, all you had to do was get the permit amendment form, fill it out with the details of the gun (ser# etc.), pay the small fee and wait a couple weeks (in those days) for it to be processed. You got a form in the mail listing the new gun (same process for adding a new gun you were buying from a dealer) and you just carried the amendment form with you along with your permit.

One fellow I knew, a collector, had several pages of amendments as he owned over 50 handguns.

At 16, with no "permitted guns in the house" you you might inherit, no judge in likely to approve your permit application. Sorry.

Quite probably the NY laws have changed a bit since I left, but I don't think they have changed enought to allow you a permit at 16, unless you have some very influential friends and a better reason than just wanting it.

Also, interestingly, in 2002, after I had been living on the other side of the country for over a quarter century, Saratoga county contacted me (via letter) and "since I was no longer a NY resident" they wanted their permit back!!!!
They also wanted to know what happened to the guns listed on the permit!

Needless to say they didn't get their permit back (as I hadn't seen it in over a decade, at least) and I didn't tell them about the listed guns, either (as I had no idea if my father still had them, or not).
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