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Old August 22, 2009, 08:00 PM   #382
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Tennessee Gentleman,

Here is what I know. Any person who takes up arms against a lawfully elected government commits treason and will face the full fury of the law. I for one would be one of the first to oppose with force if necessary any such action. If you don't like what the government does, vote 'em out as Glenn has said. You will not achieve with a gun what you cannot get at the ballot box.
First, did you read the first line of my post?

Second, were THESE MEN men treasonous when they took up arms against the lawfully elected government? After all, the election was lawful; it was the results which were tainted.

So if our lawfully elected government started throwing prisoners off of tall buildings ala Iraq or;

The government started forming death squads ala Argentina or;

The government starts cleaning up the homeless with death squads ala Brazil or:

The government allows dissident militants to seize a foreign embassy and hold that country's citizens for 444 days ala Iran; would you simply stand and spectate?

That's what the people of these countries did; because they were forced to by their lawfully elected governments.

All of the above were "lawfully elected governments".

The elections were legal. The governments were lawfully elected. The electorate stood and watched. Those who tried to act disappeared.

Your post assumes that there will be elections. What do you do if there are not? What do you do if there is a collapse of the rule of law? What do you do if government anarchy ensues?

Do you flee your country as those who fled to America to escape the tyranny of their countries did? Problem: This is the last place left to flee. America is the last bastion for the oppressed. When that is gone ...

The reason that there will be no necessity for an armed uprising here in the United States is, unlike the countries cited above, the citizenry has the firearms; the citizenry has the ammo; and the citizenry has the wherewithal to keep the "lawfully elected government" in check by deterrence alone.

You can bet your sweet one that if this country's government started to openly operate like the ones mentioned above, regardless of party stripe, the American people would spend an endless amount of treasure to stop it. But if the law collapsed, elections were suspended, and dictatorship and anarchy ensued those same people would not take up arms to take over the government. They would take up arms to restore the government.

That is the difference. Know it, live it, love it.

Work with all of your heart, your mind, and your very being to make all of the above impossible. More and more Americans are becoming apathetic, lazy, uneducated, and greedy. That is your true enemy. The government is merely a reflection of that electorate.
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