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KPS
September 14, 2001, 05:39 PM
Is there a way that I can find the date of manufacture for my Systema Colt?

James K
September 14, 2001, 10:20 PM
Maybe. What is the serial number? You can use "x" for the last number if you want.

Jim

KPS
September 15, 2001, 07:19 AM
sn #8237X

James K
September 15, 2001, 05:41 PM
Made in 1954.

Jim

KPS
September 15, 2001, 07:34 PM
Thanks Jim.How'd you find that out?I bought that gun with my C&R but don't C&R guns have to be at least 50 years old?I hope this doesn't get me into trouble.:rolleyes:

James K
September 15, 2001, 10:45 PM
I used a list pulled off a web site some time back. I don't know how good it is, but I don't think I would worry excessively. The onus of determining if an item is a C&R is on the seller anyway.

FYI, I just checked the ATF web site at www.atf.treas.gov and the only Sistemas I see listed as C&R are:

Argentine D.G.F.M. (FMAP) System Colt Model 1927 pistols, marked "Ejercito Argentino" bearing S/Ns less than 24501.

Argentine D.G.F.M. - (F.M.A.P.) System Colt model 1927, cal. 11.25mm commercial variations.

(Remember that, aside from the blanket 1946 date, a gun gets on the C&R list only when someone asks that it be put on. BATF does not do any review of their own or make any determination of what is a C&R unless or until they are asked to do so.)

HTH

Jim

KPS
September 16, 2001, 07:04 AM
Great! Thanks for your help.It was greatly appreciated.

Kris

johnwill
September 16, 2001, 10:51 AM
Jim,

One correction on what a C&R gun is. Any gun that was actually manufactured over 50 years ago is automatically classified a C&R gun, even if it's not on the list. This does not include modern copies, or specimens that were manufactured more recently. This is pretty clearly spelled out in the regulations, and I have a copy of a letter from the BATF saying the same thing without the "legalese".

James K
September 16, 2001, 08:32 PM
Correct, and my apology. Not sure where I got 1946; it should be 1951 as of this year, and it will continue going up each year. But a 1954 Sistema still does not make C&R.

Jim

johnwill
September 17, 2001, 04:20 PM
You're right on the Sistema not being C&R, I wasn't arguing that point. :)

KPS
September 19, 2001, 06:28 PM
So does this mean that I purchased my Systema illegally and many others with C&R's have, too?