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February 10, 2001, 12:18 PM
Which of the shotgun designs on the market are John Browning designs? What about rifles? (yeah, LOTS of answers there...perhaps aiming me to a website is better than typing them all in?)

just curious,

Hard Ball
February 10, 2001, 01:01 PM
Wel, for starters, the Winchester Model 1894 rifle and its cartridge. More than 100 years old and still in production!

Dave McC
February 10, 2001, 02:53 PM
97 Winchester, and the Model 12, to some extent. The Ithaca Model 37, the Remington pump that shared patents with the 870,the Auto 5 and the O/Us made by Browning, the GM 45 ACP,
the High Power, the various 22 autos, including the High Standard, the Woodsman,and....

Ma Deuce, the best heavy machine gun ever made....

JMB was to gun design as Michaelangelo was to chapel ceilings....

Badger Arms
February 10, 2001, 04:48 PM
Browning Superposed. Winchester 1887.

February 10, 2001, 10:31 PM
How much of browning's (the company's) current line-up are actual JMBrowning designs, or close descendants thereof? And how close is the Rem 870?

Thanks again,

February 12, 2001, 01:18 AM
870? Can it be considered a JMB design? I've heard ppl say yes and no.

How much of the current Browning company's lineup are true JMB designs? (Yeah, the HP is. I know that ;))


Dave McC
February 12, 2001, 05:02 AM
As I understand it, The Remington model 10 and the 870 have the same patents, first held by JMB.

One key factor in all of JMB's designs is overbuilding. Look at the carrier in an A-5. That's classic JMB. All machined, all dependent on tight tolerances, all super strong and long lived.

Al Thompson
February 12, 2001, 08:18 AM
Transfering to Harley Nolen's forum.


February 13, 2001, 12:53 PM
Since the 870 question was answered (thanks!), how much of the Browning company's current product line can be correctly considered to be JMB designs, or close descendants/variants thereof?

BHP...what else? BPS? The current incarnation of the BAR? The A-bolt?


James K
February 13, 2001, 03:53 PM
Hi, guys,

Let's see.

The Remington Model 11 shotgun is simply the Auto 5 licensed to Remington, so both are Browning designs. The Remington slide actions (10, 17, 29, 31) were Pedersen designs and not Browning. The 870 and 1100 are new designs (post WWII) and owe nothing to either man.

The Winchester 1893 and 1897 shotguns are Browning, but the Model 12 is not; it was designed by T.C. Johnson, who also designed the Winchester self loading rifles and the Winchester Model 11 autoloading shotgun.

Browning designed both the .30 and .50 machineguns, as well as the light machinegun called the Browning Automatic Rifle. The current sporting "BAR" has nothing in common with the military BAR, and is not a Browning design.

Browning did the initial work on the High Power, but died before the design was finished. FN designers finished up. Browning also designed all the other pre-WWII FN auto pistols and Colt auto pistols.


February 13, 2001, 11:32 PM
Thats the info I 'needed.' :D ;)


Mike Irwin
February 15, 2001, 01:46 AM
A few other JMB designs have been in and out of production over the past couple of years, too, such as the Models 1886 and 1895 Winchesters and the Baby Browning.

The BAR is also back in production, but in semi-auto form.

February 15, 2001, 12:05 PM
I assume you mean the military BAR, not the BAR sold by Browning? Where is this being sold?


James K
February 15, 2001, 11:05 PM
A company in Ohio is manufacturing a closed bolt semi-auto lookalike to the military BAR. It uses some GI parts, but the receiver and trigger housing are both entirely redesigned, and it uses a hammer. I don't have the name of the outfit at hand, perhaps someone else can help. They are right salty, I think $2400.


February 16, 2001, 11:03 AM
In "Hatcher's Notebook," St. J. M. Browning is quoted as mentioning a great admiration for Pedersen, who designed quite a few firearms for Rem UMC way back when.