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Cougar71
December 7, 2013, 08:28 AM
Looking through a bunch of old threads on the 300RUM and I noticed a pattern. Someone will ask a question and in no time flat, 10 people jump on and tell the op what a junk a RUM is, why you shouldn't get a RUM, it will kick your teeth out, its not worth it, bla bla bla. Then, in the same sentence, say go buy you a 375!

Really? Does this site exist to promote guns, and the shooting sports? Or do we just promote any other gun and kick the 300RUM out? I agree with some of the criticisms but there is no perfect rifle that will fill every need at any time, everyone knows this. The 300 RUM has its virtues also, chief among them is the ability to load down to 300win for hunting deer and wild boar, or load it for hot for large game such as elk, moose, etc. at very long ranges.

As for distance shooting, well that's a personal objective, I can't shoot accurately over 800 yards so that make the Win and the RUM a wash with me but, hey, if you can shoot 1200 to 1500 yards, the RUM will do that so go knock yourself out! It is a great gun and if your recoil shy its an easy fix, put a brake on it or trade it in for something you can handle!

I will get off my soapbox now, just had to vent a little.

reynolds357
December 7, 2013, 02:06 PM
Its a fine cartridge for what it was intended. The .30-378WBY has been around since Elmer Keith was 50 something and it has a fine reputation. RUM is its near ballistic equivalent. I would own a RUM if I did not have a wildcat equivalent of the .30-378 Wby.
Its a plains cartridge, and I see has no real practical use for anything else. That does not mean you cant use it for everything else.:D Kicks? Not with a brake. Expensive to shoot? Yes.
Can you use it on Dangerous game? Sure you can. I have a friend who shot a huge Grizzly with one and piled it up like a ton of bricks hit it. Personally, I would rather shoot a great bear with a bit bigger bullet, but thats just my opinion. It might be right, it might be wrong.

Cougar71
December 7, 2013, 04:04 PM
There is no right or wrong. I love my RUM, it does everything I want it to do and more. I don't give a rip how expensive it is to shoot, I can afford it. Im a big guy,295lbs, so the recoil is not a factor to me. Yeah, its a little much for around here but like my Grandaddy told me, Aint no such thing as too dead!

AllenJ
December 7, 2013, 04:31 PM
It is not just the RUM that gets picked on, many people dislike any cartridge that has the word "Magnum" in it's name. Pay no attention to them, you are you and what works for you and what you like is what you should use.

old roper
December 7, 2013, 04:40 PM
I read one of your earlier post 10yrs ago and you own 30-378Wby and 300RUM. Myself I think you have plenty of experience to make a judgement on what you want to shoot.

I've own and shot both also and at the time owned maybe 8/10 30 cal mag and I thinned the herd settle on 338mag,30-338mag and had couple 300WSM build. Friend of mine got one of Christensen Arms Carbon Fiber rifle in 300RUM that's one sweet rifle.

Well good luck

Cougar71
December 7, 2013, 05:24 PM
what you really don't want to do is fire off the weatherby without the brake! Tooth chipper! My 300 shoots as good today as when I first got it! This is my hunting rifle my barrel has yet to burn out. Maybe its because I don't shoot more than 10 time per deer season! Long way to a burned out barrel at that pace!

old roper
December 7, 2013, 06:01 PM
My 30-378Wby had factory brake and I think I loaded something like 113gr Retumbo and one time I swore I'd never own a rifle that take over 100gr of powder. Got to have fun with them

Omaha-BeenGlockin
December 7, 2013, 10:31 PM
Do they even chamber new rifles in the RUM's anymore?

CharlieDeltaJuliet
December 7, 2013, 10:39 PM
I noticed that you said that the 300WM and RUM were a wash for you over 800 yards.... Keep practicing and use a good scope. I have a 300 WM that puts lead on steel at well over 1200 yards with me shooting. The gunsmith and builder was hitting at a mile with it. If you have enough adjustment and the right load they are wicked. We were using Navy/Army Mk248 Mod1 ammo for most, hand loads for the rest.

Cougar71
December 8, 2013, 12:04 AM
What scopes are yall using? My leupold had to be shimmed to get to 800!

mapsjanhere
December 8, 2013, 08:45 AM
I love my 300 RUM, especially for the straight case without belt, makes reloading much easier. That said, mine is more of a wall gun than a stalking rifle, more suitable for stationary use. I don't think I'd chamber a gun I'd like to carry around in that cartridge.
As for scope -Nightforce scope on a 20 moa base.

Sierra280
December 8, 2013, 11:48 AM
How does a straight case without a belt make reloading easier? Seems like getting the correct headspace with a belted cartridge is about as easy as it gets.

As for putting down the RUMs, one shot was all it took me to never want to shoot one again. I'm a big guy, but I like to enjoy my time at the range. Shoot lots of lead down range, not be bruised, and most importantly, I do not want to start developing bad habits (flinches) because I'm shooting a gun that kicks like a mule. Also, when I feel like burning up lots of money in ammunition, I'll just get the 50--Less felt recoil, more fun! (Yes, my model 99 hurts a lot less to shoot than my buddies lightweight 700 ADL in 300RUM.)

Cougar71
December 8, 2013, 12:19 PM
Not sure, never had real trouble reloading belted cartridges except for some cases I bought off ebay.
I love shooting big booming magnums, Not trying to compensate for anything so lets not go there. :D I just like to shoot big kickers. I have people bring me their magnums to sight in because they don't want to do it. They cant stop flinching after a few rounds at the range. These are not guns I would recommend to the novice shooter but they are no pos either. They are great guns and they really shine in the hands of experienced shooters!

handlerer2
December 8, 2013, 02:25 PM
I believe that the main drawback to the RUM cartridges is the quality of REM brass. I like the concept of a high capacity beltless magnum. I reload for 300WBY and 340WBY. I have noticed that despite the RUM's greater case capacity it is factory loaded to lower MV than WBY magnums of the same caliber.

I was browsing Big Bear in Billings and found 20 pieces of Rem brass for 300WBY, for $7.50. The cheapest I ever found WBY(Norma) brass was $23.00 for 20 pieces. I bought the REM brass. I had a pet handload, Hornady, 190gr JSPBT, loaded with 86.5gr RL25. Almost max in Hornady reloading manual. It was very acurate and chrono'd at right at 3100fps, with no sign of high pressure. I knocked a grain off of that load, in the REM brass and was disappointed that the first round I fired showed obvious signs of high pressure. The primer was very tight in the primer pocket. The second round that I fired had blown the primer and was sooty and slightly harder to extract. The load chrono'd at just under 3000fps. I only loaded ten of these, and pulled the bullets on the other eight. So, it showed obvious signs of very high pressure, and had lower MV. Go figure.


I believe that If Norma or Lapua offered brass for the RUM, it should easily out perform the WBY. WBY factory offers one load that lists a 180gr, Nosler at over 3300fps.

It's only my opinion, but I believe the REM brass to less resilient than Norma brass. I don't shoot and have never loaded for a 300RUM, so my experience may not apply, so this is only an extrapolation from my experience. The RUM should, if compared by case capacity, exceed the WBY easily. What think this forum?

CharlieDeltaJuliet
December 8, 2013, 03:11 PM
@ Cougar, I am using a NightForce ATACR with a Near base with a 30 MOA cant.

Cougar71
December 8, 2013, 03:29 PM
@ Charlie Delta, I will have to check that one out.

Cougar71
December 8, 2013, 03:51 PM
@ Handler I haven't noticed that with my loads, I have 200+/- Nosler brass and about the same amount of rem brass, although I don't keep as good records as I should. I will check the weights between the nosler and the rem and see if there is a large difference

CharlieDeltaJuliet
December 8, 2013, 08:16 PM
My hand loads are cookies of the Mk248 Mod1. In the 300WM I use 77.5gr of H1000 and using Federal brass and 215match primers, with a C.O.A.L. of 3.5", with a 220gr SMK. warning, this is not a load for a standard or light barreled rifle.The load is a hot load and I have seen some use the actual boxed ammo straight from the military and it flatten primers. This cartridge is right on the limit of what the military deems safe to fire..

Photos are of a couple boxes of the actual military ammo..

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/ChadJohnson1976/Firearms/IMG_2824.jpg

emcon5
December 8, 2013, 08:53 PM
The only threads I remember that are anything like you describe are someone who is wanting to start long distance shooting, and thinks that to do so you need a big magnum.

Anyone who actually does LR shooting knows this is nonsense.

There are a several solid LR options for target shooting that do as well, or nearly so, to the various .30 magnums with less blast, less powder, less recoil and longer barrel life.

if you can shoot 1200 to 1500 yards, the RUM will do that so go knock yourself out!BFD. So will a number of other non-magnum cartridges.

And why do you care what anyone else thinks? If you have one you are happy with, good for you.

or load it for hot for large game such as elk, moose, etc. at very long ranges. Most people who make such a claim have no idea what they are talking about.

"I got me one of them thar 300 mondo-magnums, gunna git me an elk a nine-hunnert yards."

:rolleyes:

Cougar71
December 8, 2013, 09:47 PM
Just defending my rifle is all, Evidently, according to you, I don't know what I am talking about so I will shut-up on this matter. Boss.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
December 9, 2013, 02:33 AM
A .243 or 6.5 CM will shoot 100+ yards... Jeez emcon5, some of us just get the old 300's out for gun. I shoot .338RUM & 338LM. I have a Bushmaster BA50. I am not going to limit myself to one caliber. Besides each plays a different role..

Here is a three shot group at 300 yards.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/ChadJohnson1976/Firearms/Group4.jpg

Close up... Center first, then left, then right.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/ChadJohnson1976/Firearms/Group2.jpg

So there is still plenty of uses for these "300 mondo magnums"

Cougar71
December 9, 2013, 10:30 AM
I don't limit myself either, got a couple of 243, couple of 270s, 30-06, 22-250, 257 weatherby,.50 Beowulf, etc. I shoot them all and enjoy doing so.

Art Eatman
December 9, 2013, 10:33 AM
I've always been far more of a hunter than a target shooter. I've mostly hunted whitetails or varmints. Odds are, but for two shots, I've never "needed" more than a .243.

So what? I figure that if you have fun with Big Critters, go for it! I'm not recoil-sensitive, but I don't care for a Big Thump. Again, so what? What other folks enjoy is their business, not mine.

Purpose and preference, I reckon. :)

Heh. Back when I was a kid, I loaded my '06 with 80-grain pistol bullets and around 53 grains of 3031. Close to 4,000 ft/sec. I wonder what a .300 RUM could do? :D

You guys! You keep me dredging up memories from sixty years gone! :D

emcon5
December 9, 2013, 10:40 AM
Just defending my rifle is all, It doesn't need defending. You are happy with it, that is ALL that matters.Evidently, according to you, I don't know what I am talking about so I will shut-up on this matter. Boss. Unless you think the minute you paid for your rifle you magically became capable of taking 800 yard shots on game, then I wasn't talking about you.

A .243 or 6.5 CM will shoot 100+ yards... Jeez emcon5, some of us just get the old 300's out for gun. I shoot .338RUM & 338LM. I have a Bushmaster BA50. I am not going to limit myself to one caliber. Besides each plays a different role.. Agreed, I am not saying anything at all is wrong with any magnum cartridge. Just saying the only threads I remember "putting down" the 300 mags were not doing any such thing. They all had one thing in common, someone wanting to get in to LR target shooting, and asking which monster magnum round he should get.

Experienced LR shooters generally answer "none of them". There are several solid LR options for target shooting that do as well, or nearly so, to the various .30 magnums with less blast, less powder, less recoil and longer barrel life.

So there is still plenty of uses for these "300 mondo magnums" Of course there are. I was referring specifically to the dimwits who watch a YouTube video of some assclown shoot an elk at 800 yards, and think that all they need to do the same is buy a 300 or 338RUM.

Shooting 800 yards on a flat surveyed range is not that difficult.

Elk are rarely at exactly 800 yards, and the bullet drops about a foot per 25 yards at that range. When you get the range wrong, and you will, you will miss or have a cripple. When you get the wind call wrong, and you will, you will miss or have a cripple.

Generally speaking, if you think taking such a shot is a good idea, you probably have no business even trying it.

The greater point of this is "Who cares"? The OP has a 300 RUM that his is happy with. Good for him. Why should he give a crap what some random people on the internet think?

Cougar71
December 9, 2013, 01:10 PM
I am happy with it. I shoot out 800 with some regularity, but I know my limitations. It may be unneccesary to change loads in my rum for elk and mule deer at distances out to 800yds, I dont know. I just want all the power its capable of giving me on large animals at those distances. Like Art, Im a hunter more than a shooter so that's a area I will defer to your expertise.

As far as the put down , it was not just this forum, but a take away from several different places I visit. All I was doing really was praising the caliber in light of so many criticisms.

Cougar71
December 9, 2013, 01:18 PM
The expertise part was in no way meant to be sarcastic or a veiled backhand slap to you sir, I really don't know! You seem knowledgeable about these things so I would take any advice you would care to share on this matter. Right now, I wouldn't take over a 800 yard shot at any animal, Im not comfortable doing it. With ANY caliber!

Jimro
December 9, 2013, 01:33 PM
The 300 RUM is an interesting animal.

Within a few specific applications I would recommend one, but it falls in that area where it isn't that much better than the 300 Win Mag, and can't handle the heavier bullets of the 338 Lapua or 338 RUM.

So if someone wanted a legit 1600 meter (one mile) round in a custom rifle, but didn't want a 338, then the 300 RUM or 30-378 WBY would be the way to go.

Other than that, the 300 RUM just doesn't offer too much over more established, cheaper to shoot, cartridges.

Jimro

Cougar71
December 9, 2013, 01:51 PM
I agree with your assessment of the rum and the 30-378 but will add, its not the only calibers to be labeled as "tweeners". Every niche has been filled that I can see. I dont know what the next wildcat will be, if there will be one!

reynolds357
December 9, 2013, 07:02 PM
The argument will always be the same with different names. 30-30 Is all you'll ever need. No, .308Win is all youll ever need. 30-06, 300 Norma, 300, Win. etc etc etc. Basically, if you have something bigger than the person you are discussing it with then its "overkill.":rolleyes:

emcon5
December 9, 2013, 07:31 PM
if you have something bigger than the person you are discussing it with then its "overkill.":rolleyes: And if you have something smaller, it sucks. ;)

reynolds357
December 9, 2013, 08:34 PM
In some cases. On rare occasions I hunt deer with a .338Lapua. On even rarer cases I hunt them with my .300 Blackout.