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January 3, 2001, 02:00 AM
Hey all,
Could anyone tell me the company that does the conversion or manufactures the short barreled shotgun known as the "Witness Protection"? It is based on a Remington 870 and the barrel has been cut to about 12" and a pistol grip has been added.
I am looking to get a short barreled shotgun and I am interested in that one as well as some others. If anyone knows the answer to my question please post it here so I can get the details.
I would also like any other info on these types of weapons that anyone may have. I am open to recommendations as well. Keep in mind that I do not want to pay the $200.00 tax, I want to get a gun that is classified as an AOW and therefore will only cost me a tax charge of $5.00

Thanks for any help that you might give me.


January 3, 2001, 09:25 AM
Tom Bowers has a listing of Class II and Class 3 dealers who can help you out. Go to http://www.subguns.com and clik on recommended dealers for more information.

January 3, 2001, 10:26 AM
IIRC, short barreled shotguns by definition have shoulder stocks, while AOW shotguns do not. The latter have the $5 tax. Think about what you actually want a pistol-grip-only shotgun for, and realize that in general it's not particularly useful.

I bought this Mossberg 590 Mariner AOW from C3 dealer Allan Kirchmer (mailto:[email protected]):

I'm also tempted by the Serbu Super-Shorty (http://www.serbu.com/shorty.htm):

Check your state's laws on such items; subtleties may allow or disalow such arms. Read Bardwell's NFA FAQ (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt). Peruse Tom Bowers' Subguns Board (http://www.subguns.com). Read and contribute to the 1934 Group (http://www.1934.org)'s lawsuit to remove the much-abused CLEO-signoff requirement for Class III transfers. When you're ready to buy, contact the dealer of your choice and just work through the paperwork he gives you.

January 4, 2001, 05:59 AM
The "Witness Protection" model 870 is offered by Scattergun Technologies, Inc. They used to be a stand alone company, but now I believe they are part of Bill Wilson's outfit. Don't have a url or anything, but a search with that name or Wilson's should yeild something.
I've got a 5 or 6 year old catalog from STI, and the WP looks like a great under-the-coat gun, but it is pricey. If I lived in a Class III state, I'd probably have one, but....

January 4, 2001, 09:48 AM

The "Witness Protection" is made by Roger Small of Scattergun Technologies Inc.

Scattergun Technologies, Inc.
2234 CR 719 • Berryville, AR 72616
1-800-955-4856 • 870-545-3618
FAX 870-545-3310

You can request a catalog via Wilson Combat at [email protected]

Rob Garrett
January 29, 2001, 05:23 PM
I have an original "Witness Protection 870" which was built by Jim Wilson, Wilson Arms, Brunswick GA. Several years ago, Wilson was in a legal battle with Roger Small over the name. I don't know what the outcome was.

For a shotgun with a brl. less than 18" to be classified as AOW, it must be orginally manufactured in that configuration. This requires the maker to be classified as a manufacturer by the maker of the receiver/shotgun. Even with a $5 stamp, you can not put a stock on an AOW shotgun. Anytime you cut a brl on an existing shotgun, regardless of the configuration (stock/no stock) it is classified as a short-barreled shotgun and ATF hits you up for $200.

Also, be aware that Wilson purchased SGT and it is my understanding that Small is no longer involved in the operation.

Hope this helps.