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January 16, 2013, 11:16 PM
Does anyone have any background on this pistol? It is made by Pedersoli and fires a
.177 pellet using a musket cap for propellant.
I’m tempted to try a small charge of FFFg but it seems to have quite a bit of power with only the cap.
Any information will be appreciated.


January 16, 2013, 11:59 PM
It is a "Muzzleloader" for sure! And wow what a cool little garage plinker :D Very neat!! That thing is begging for a VIDEO. Or is it me that wants the video? :)

4V50 Gary
January 17, 2013, 01:32 AM
Muzzle loading Flobert.

January 17, 2013, 05:28 AM
I don't think you can call that a flobert action. It is designed after one tho.

January 17, 2013, 06:19 AM
Neat little gun. A parlor pistol. How did it come by it?
I would not add any powder to it. Shoot it with just the caps.

4V50 Gary
January 17, 2013, 08:24 AM
Hawg. You are absolutely correct as the Flobert was a self contained cartridge. The pictured firearm though relies only on the power of the cap to propel the pellet. I was thinking that the gun was a regression in design that was one short of a Flobert.

January 17, 2013, 09:14 AM
Thats a cool little gun! I wonder if it has the power to take a rabbit or squirrel? At any rate it would be a great trainer for a young shooter, or a plinker for one of those "I wonder if I can hit that can from here" moments.

January 17, 2013, 09:17 AM
yeah, I wouldn't try putting powder in it, it's like a longer barreled version of the Pedersoli Remington Ryder parlor pistol.

January 17, 2013, 09:25 AM
AS said, a parlor or pub gun. Very neat.
Do not attempt to use powder in it. Designed for the cap only.
Where did you get it?

January 18, 2013, 11:37 AM
Thanks for the response. I pretty much convinced myself that shooting powder would be a mistake. The construction is robust and I'm sure that it would handle it. That said the pistol is cool because it is simple to use and easy to clean. Shooting powder would defeat that.
I don't know where the pistol came from, it was my mothers. At one time my parents imported directly from some of the Italian manufactures. It may have come from that time or just a cool piece that she picked up on her travels. So the Readers Digest answer to the question of where it came from is"I don't know".
Best regards,

January 20, 2013, 01:05 AM
According to the write up on the Cherry's Fine Guns website, it's named the Zimmer pistol:

4.5mm Caliber Percussion

Reproduction of Belgian pistol that features an walnut stock with traditional fluted grip, enriched with a typical metal buttcap. Provided with front and rear sights, it is produced with round barrel and color case hardened frame. Weight 1.1 lbs.

S335-4.5mm 4.5mm caliber percussion $430.00 (Special Order Only)
(add $20.00 shipping and handling)


Of similar interest is that Pedersoli also makes a 4.5 mm training barrel for their Napolean LePage target pistol which are produced in calibers .31, .36, .44 and .45 smooth bore:


And Pedersoli also made their fixed barrel Saloon target pistol in .36 and 4.5 mm, which has a box lock action and grip shape somewhat similar to the Zimmer but with a heavier round barrel.

Cabela's also seems to have discontinued selling their latest production of a parlor pistol which was a short barreled Derringer type that used 209 shotgun primers.
But they were also selling a parlor rifle percussion cap model for a while. I saw one on clearance at my local Cabela's which probably indicates that it has also been discontinued. I recall reading that some folks thought that it was underpowered and somewhat more difficult to load small pellets into the longer barrel.