View Full Version : Shotgun ID Help

November 7, 2012, 08:20 PM
i have come across a 16 gauge double shot gun it has krupp stahl
on the barrels on the bottom of gun it has letters hk and sw
the breaker over lerver is on bottom of gun
can anybody tell me who makes this type gun

November 7, 2012, 09:57 PM
Robert, I am a sucker for old shotguns. Krupp Stahl is german stahl means steel. We would need to see photograps, and close ups of the markings beneath the barrels on the receiver. I believe you have an underlever shotgun, which will narrow it down some but we need the proof marks to identify your gun.

November 8, 2012, 04:51 AM
My grandfather had an A.H.Fox 12 ga double (30" full/full) that had "Krupp Steel" stamped on the barrels. I haven't seen in years and can't say if it was in German or not. He was quite proud of that gun. Many a duck, goose, and deer hit the ground in front of it. c

Krupp Steel was a big selling point during the time of transistion from black power to smokeless. Knowing the gun was made with steel from the Krupp works verified it was safe with smokless powder. At least that's what I remember him telling me all those many years ago.

He used his 20 ga Parker for small game.

November 8, 2012, 07:11 AM
thanks guys
soon as i figure out how to get pictures
on here i will send them

November 8, 2012, 09:09 AM

That should help

Can't help with ID, but I'm curious to see the gun

November 8, 2012, 09:56 AM
Krupp is a major manufacturing company in Europe based in Germany, if you needed steel you wanted Krupp steel, they had their hands in making steel, weapons and machinery for almost half of a millennia.

November 8, 2012, 10:03 PM
having trouble getting pictures
on here have to get son to do
it for me fridat night

November 9, 2012, 07:44 PM
Here are the pictures on the shotgun, the best it would take. Most of the markings are kind of worn down.

November 10, 2012, 03:31 PM
Closer/clearer pics of the proofmarks on the rear of the barrel flats AND any on the corresponding action watertable/flats might go a long way with determination/ID.



November 10, 2012, 06:41 PM
see if this is better

November 10, 2012, 08:13 PM
Robert the three proof marks are all German. The proof mark that is a crown over a U, a black powder proof, was the first, 1891-1917. The gun was later proofed for smokeless powders. I post more after I compare a few german underlevers with yours.

November 10, 2012, 08:33 PM
it may be a husqvarna. There is one on Guns America Auction site now. search Husqvarna double guns.

November 10, 2012, 09:00 PM
that looks real close i have been on 8 or 9 web sites
trying to find out about this thanks to you all it been
about a week
thanks again

November 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
FWIW, the circled "16" proofmark on each barrel's flat indicates that each is "short" chambered for the older/first 2-9/16" (65mm) 16ga shotshells made prior to the ammunition upgrades of 1925.

Please do not fire ANY ammo in it, before it's been checked by a certified double gunsmith (not some parts-changer) as okay to shoot - and then never fire any modern 2-3/4" ammo in it, even so-called "low brass" or "field loads".

The reason, besides the age & different/weaker steels used, compared to later/today, is that the crimp of the longer shells, having nowhere to go when the longer shell is fired in a shorter chamber, will partially obstruct the passage of the shot charge, raising pressure.

Altering the chamber to accept the longer shells won't alter the fact that the gun is 90+ years old, and shouldn't be subjected to modern powder's pressure curve - and that safe, low-pressure modern 2-1/2" ammo is currently available from companies like RST, PolyWad, Kent Cartridge, GameBore & others.


November 14, 2012, 07:26 AM
can you tell me about how much this gun could be
worth i also want to thank you guys for the info
dont remimber how i found this web sight but
you all done more in a short time then8 or 9
web sites did the gentleman i got the gun from
past away so all the info you gave me was agreat help
to me thanks again

November 14, 2012, 03:40 PM
Robert, it varies some on your location, in my area, Nebraska, it might sell for 300, probably 250 after hagglin. Dealer would ask 500, but would sit on it for a long time.
Where are you by the way?

November 14, 2012, 07:16 PM
live in oklahoma
thanks again birdshot
been real helpfull glad some
people take time to help others