View Full Version : I think I have an addiction to Milsurp

Colonel Custer
September 8, 2012, 08:27 AM
When I joined TFL I had a Norinco SKS, Mosin Nagant (MN) 44 carbine, a Nagant Revolver, and a 1939 MN 91-30.

Now I have bought a 1938 MN 91-30
a 1929 hex reciever MN Dragoon
a 1891 Argentine Mauser (Modelo Argentine for the purists) 7.65x53
a 24/47 Yugoslavian Mauser in 8mm
a m213 Norinco in 9mm

I have a total of $1285 in these.

I find my self eyeballing Enfields, Mas 36's, Carcanos, Arisakas, (yes Springfields, and Garands but they are a little out of my price range if I want to stay married.)

Is there a support group? lol

Serious question Does Hoppes no9 do a good job on corrosive ammo clean up?

September 8, 2012, 08:59 AM
I don't think you are alone in your addiction. Historical weapons have a mystical appeal. From an economical perspective, you can buy around 5 Milsurps as you described for a commercial bolt gun & a scope. I enjoy shooting them. If I can't shoot it, It is traded away or sold.

Hoppes 9 will take care of your bore after corrosive ammo.

September 8, 2012, 09:02 AM
#1 - There is some controversy on whether Hoppes works on corrosive ammo. If you have any concern, the old tried-and-true methods of hot soapy water and Ballistol are still available.

#2 - There is a sure-fire cure for the pain and agony of Milsurp Addiction. It's called an 03C&RFFL. As soon as you have one, you have government approval and acceptance, and all the pain goes away.

September 8, 2012, 05:15 PM
Military surplus can be addictive. But don't forget it is also a whole lot of fun.
I got it too
4 different enfields
3 mosin nagants
m1 carbine
and so on.

September 8, 2012, 07:08 PM
Colonel Custer - sorry my friend there is no cure, only temporary relief.
(when you buy another one but it's short-lived)

Look at this way; there's worse addictions.....

September 8, 2012, 11:52 PM

No, you need to drink the Hoppes if you want to cure your addiction.


There are worse vices than the condition you have acquired. For one
thing, if you buy wisely your investment will be safe and likely increase
in value quite nicely. My mantra has been 1) Bore condition 2) Matching
bolt 3) Very good to excellent overall condition. That's a nice list of pieces
that you have obtained so far !

Seriously, on the Hoppes, the answer is definitely NO. You need to flush
the barrel out with water. Just plain old water. Find a funnel that you
can rig to where you can run warm water down the barrel. Then clean
as you would after any other ammo, with Hoppes, etc. Then the last patch
with a good gun oil and you are done. The corrosive priming leaves a
residue that is very water soluble, but not oil soluble. Hoppes is not water based.

Welcome to the club


P.S. If you love to shoot rifles, consider putting a Swiss K31 on your list


TX Hunter
September 9, 2012, 08:15 AM
Your not alone, When I pick up a Rifle Magazine, I usually skip all the articles except the ones about millserps, and when I go into a Gunshop, I walk right past the new guns, and look through the used guns, for Surplus Rifles.
Dont worry about it, just enjoy your collection.:)

September 10, 2012, 01:18 AM
Just wait until someone gives you a wartime M1 Garand or Carbine walnut stock for free. Not really a good one. Not cracked. No metal parts, but orginal GI in good condition. I got both. The Garand two months ago and the carbine yesterday.

I am doomed. I sunk $75 bucks into the metal parts for the Garand stock already. And who could pass up a $5 matching walnut hand guard for the carbine? It already had the metal sheetmetal do-hicky and marked, IO.

I'm toast. Midnight 2nd Survival job all winter long here-I-come. Again.

September 10, 2012, 09:00 PM
Colonel, you do have an 03 FFL (Collector of Curios and Relics) to make things easier, and ease the financial pain a bit don't you?
Well, let's just say make things easier. Don't know about the financial pain part so much. You'll figure that out when your bound book looks more like a phone book!:eek:

September 11, 2012, 06:41 PM
I almost bought a Arisaka 33. Then I looked at the ammo...decided not to. :-/

An enfield no4 for less than 400 though...I WANT IN.

September 11, 2012, 08:42 PM
The symptoms of the disease start to subside when you reach 50+ rifles.

September 12, 2012, 02:54 PM
The symptoms of the disease start to subside when you reach 50+ rifles.

Actually they have subsided with the lack of anything new in the line of Milsurp C&R firearms being available. I just hope they open up another warehouse or two loaded with goodies somewhere, and can get some more things through the BATF as C&R. Kinda liked those old symptoms :D:D:D

September 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
Join the club. I bought my first mil-surp a year ago. It was an SKS. I now have a dozen of them, not to mention Mosin-Nagants, AKs, Enfields, CETMEs, and an M1 Garand. I can stop any time I want. :D

Just one note: IF you get an Enfield, make it an Ishapore 2A1. These were made in .308 (7.62 NATO), not .303 British, and they are made of a superior steel. All the Enfields are great, but .308 is MUCH easier to find and less expensive than British .303 is now. Just sayin'. You should be able to find an Ishy for no more than $300. Damned nice rifles.

September 14, 2012, 07:09 PM
I suffered from this terrible sickness and addiction one time . . . I finally went "cold turkey" much to my wife's relief (she's really good about my hobbies - not my "addictions"). :D I up and sold my collection and never looked back even though it was a hard thing to do. THEN, I got interested in pistol shooting again . . . woe is me . . . . like rifles, one is not enough. What can I say? The only good thing is that they're smaller and take up less room . . . well, sort of. :rolleyes:

September 15, 2012, 08:15 PM
You guys got it wrong the 03 c&r is the cure to having too much money in the bank
No money left in the bank is the cure to milsurp addiction
No room in the safe also is reported to help
so yes getting a 03 c&r will cure having too much money in the bank and also allows you to fill the safe easier and for a lot less $
But technically it isn’t the cure for milsurp collecting

September 16, 2012, 08:06 AM
I would rather have my money in fire arms than cash in the bank, or stocks and cd's. While some stocks have done very well for me, others have not. All my fire arms have done well, at least keeping up with inflation. Inflation well soon have 5.56 LC ammo up to $1 around.:eek:

September 16, 2012, 07:35 PM
You have a long way to go young Grasshopper.I started it all wih a Mosin Nagant 90-30. Now I have
12 Mosin Nagants, including M38's, M39's, M44's, 2 New England Westinghouse''s, and a Remington.
Nagant M1895 pistol
Winchester 95 lever action in 7.62X54R (Quite rare, also made for the Russians)
Yugo SKS
German K98 Mauser
Yugo M48 Mauser
Romanian TT-33 Tokarev
Walther P-1 9 mm
Swiss K31
Japanese type 99 Arisaka
Hungarian Steyr
Austrian Steyr
Bulgarian contract Steyr
CZ82 9mm Mak
CZ52 7X25mm

Good thing I'm a reloader so I can afford to shoot them all.

October 1, 2012, 05:59 PM
Now add 2 CMP M1 Garands! One Springfield Armory, one H&R.

I knew I was in trouble when I got that Fed C&R license!

October 1, 2012, 08:21 PM
Your all very sick people. Get help!



October 13, 2012, 01:55 PM
Have to amend my list again!

Now I have:

12 Mosin Nagants, including M38's, M39's, M44's, 2 New England Westinghouse''s, and a Remington.
Nagant M1895 pistol
Winchester 95 lever action in 7.62X54R (Quite rare, also made for the Russians)
Yugo SKS
German K98 Mauser
Yugo M48 Mauser
Romanian TT-33 Tokarev
Walther P-1 9 mm
Swiss K31
Japanese type 99 Arisaka
Hungarian Steyr
Austrian Steyr
Bulgarian contract Steyr
CZ82 9mm Mak
Romanian TT-33 Tok pistol.
Swiss 96/K11 conversion (Rebarreled so it can shoot modern Swiss ammo)

As a matter of fact, I like the Tok so much better than the CZ52, I traded the CZ for a scoped Savage 110 in 30.06!

October 14, 2012, 01:08 PM
It could be worse. Horses poo, planes are big, stamps well I don't know squat about them but they will make you crazy too.



Colonel Custer
October 16, 2012, 06:38 PM
I bought a 7mm Spanish Mauser 1927 model Monday Oct 17, 12
I have added a 1979 Marlin model 60
I own 4 shotguns
3 other revolvers
a model 459 S&W 9mm
a SMC 918 Makarov Clone in 9x18 and a few others but Bolt Action Rifles are my pride and joy!

Colonel Custer
October 20, 2012, 06:51 PM
1966 Lee Enfield Mk3 2A made in Ishapore:)

Ignition Override
October 22, 2012, 12:34 AM
My six Enfields (#4/mk.1s, #5s) might be an indication of the need for an intervention. Must admit that only one Garand is here but the goal now is simply buying ammo, in case the UN Treaty has more influence here the next few years, one more 'red' Supreme Court judge, or much inflation etc.

When my wife was told in '08 that I was shopping for a second MN 44 (the first twin), the puzzled look was as if she had been hit by a native hunter's blow pipe dart, dipped in animal tranqilizer.

She just gazed into Steven Hawking's fifth dimension, speechless, with a blank stare that can't be described:confused:.

October 22, 2012, 05:23 AM
It’s also the only addiction where the support group makes things worse !


October 24, 2012, 09:35 PM
Damn those are some nice collections! But think of it as not an addiction, but a neccesity

Ignition Override
November 5, 2012, 04:31 AM
Please get rid of that colorful photo of your excellent collection:eek:!
You (and your kind) are a bad influence on people who don't have much self-discipline. Verpesten een van ons...(don't know the French version).

I did not know that Belgians had access to such guns. In order to have a license to own or shoot, is it about as difficult as it is in Germany or the UK?

The Czechs seem to be much more fortunate than in many countries.

November 6, 2012, 11:00 AM
Belgian gun laws aren’t as good as the Czech, Swiss or Luxembourgers, but better than most other in Europe. If you have no criminal history, are a member of a shooting range (min. 10 visits a year) and are patient … you can pretty much own anything.

Concealed carry, full auto, silencers, 5,7mm and (recently) drum magazines are the main ‘unattainables’.

It’s kind of funny how some little things are totally opposite for US and European gun enthusiasts. For us the AR15’s and M1A’s are scarce (unless we get a German or Chinese clone), but SIG550’s and FAL’s (or L1A1 if you’re cheap :D) are abundant. We’re longing for Colts, while they’re throwing High Powers at us.

Colonel Custer
November 30, 2012, 04:31 PM
I just bought an 1893 Spanish 7mm Mauser. Mosinka I did buy the .308 Ishapore Enfield 2A1, no I don't have a C&R liscence. Thank you for all your help people!