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June 24, 2012, 10:18 PM
Just curious to what all of you AR owners are using? I'm considering an Aimpoint Micro T1 or an Eotech EXSP2? Not really needing magnification (at this point)...mainly for target shooting, boar hunting, and self-defense.

June 24, 2012, 10:43 PM
It depends.....

I've got this on the Grendel -- for work out to 600 yards

And I've got this on the M4 -- for fast-reaction/close work

But I just put this one on the `95Marlin 45-70 GuideGun:

...which seems to be the best possible combo for what you want.

June 24, 2012, 10:50 PM
If you can afford it, you can't go wrong with either the Eotech or the Aimpoint. Just pick which one you like better. Both have their pro's.

June 24, 2012, 11:09 PM
Aimpoint CompML-2


EOTech XPS-2

Aimpoint T-1

I like the large viewing window of the EOTech. The Aimpoints have great battery life. The ACOG is illuminated, but requires no batteries. It is also magnified.

June 24, 2012, 11:31 PM
3x9x50 Leupold for hogs ,dogs,deer.;)

June 25, 2012, 10:16 AM
Love the Aimpoint but not the price for a range toy. Picked up a highly recomended Primary Arms red dot. It's been great, bright and holds zero well.

June 25, 2012, 10:37 AM
I like Nikon p223 ...82198

June 25, 2012, 10:39 AM
I am in the same situation, just got a BCM AR Middy and have only iron sights on it now. I went to an outdoor range this past weekend, and shot 25 and 50 yards to sight it in. Could hold 2-3" groups at either distance, but can't imagine shooting 100 yards (they also have 100 and 200 yard ranges) with irons. Would something like a 1-5x scope be able to be used like an AimPoint at close ranges (say less than 25yards) with both eyes open, and then be used like a traditional scope for 100 yard plus ranges?

June 25, 2012, 11:35 AM
If you can afford it then professional grade electronic sights like Aimpoint or Eotech are great choices. I just won't trust my life to a $100 knock-off because the last thing I want during an emergency is to be playing the "where the heck did my aiming dot go" game. The downside to an electronic sight is that decent magnifiers and a good magnifier mount are going to add $250-600 to the ~$500 cost of the sight should you eventually decide that you need one.

A scope with a true 1x low-end can also make a decent both eyes open CQB sight - especially one with with an illuminated reticle. But in an emergency a good quality true 1x scope with heavy non-illumined reticle can get the job done and help you bullseye hogs for less than $250 including the mount.

5.56 with an Eotech 552 (1/3 co-witness) and Hensoldt 2.5x magnifier in a LaRue flip-up mount.

6.8SPC with a Burris Xtreme Tactical 1-4x24.

M&P15-22 with Weaver V3 1-3x20. This also makes a great low-power/dangerous game scope for a 5.56, 6.8SPC, or 308.

June 25, 2012, 12:53 PM
A good "compromise" optic is a 1-4x, like the Nikon M223 or Leatherwood CMR.
Quick target acquisition, and enough magnification for at least a couple of hundred yards if you need it.

My son has a 6.5 Grendel for long-range target that sports a Vortex 3.5-10 on a Warne RAMP that also allows mounting a holosight on a 45 degree angle on both sides for up close and personal.

June 25, 2012, 01:54 PM
I'd go with the Eo Tech by a narrow margin. Mainly becouse it has a bigger field of view. Just my 2 cents. its your money

June 25, 2012, 06:55 PM
Thanks for all the input.

BTW, sholling and Ridge_Runner_5...nice set ups!

Either direction I go, I'm going to be dropping some loot. I want the option for range/target (long or close), self defense, and boar hunting. I don't want to be limited to a close distance or long distance optic on it's own. I need/want versatility, but with dead nuts reliability.

Now I must decide between:

1) Eotech EXPS-2 with G33 magnifier
2) Aimpoint H1 with LT magnifier

June 25, 2012, 06:59 PM

June 25, 2012, 07:04 PM
Which optic is that on the bottom rifle?

June 25, 2012, 07:20 PM
Its a Burris AR-332 3x prism scope with the rails removed.


June 25, 2012, 08:48 PM
How is target acquisition with the Burris..30yds?, 200yds? Is the eye relief like the ACOG where you have to have your face real close to it?

June 25, 2012, 09:49 PM
I agree with all the 1-4x scope recommendations. I tried the other scopes but finally settled on a Nikon m223. Close work or out to 300 yards. All I need.

June 25, 2012, 10:09 PM
I have not seen the m223 in person yet, but have heard good things. Checked out the 1-4x Leupold Mark AR at my local gun shop tonight. Seemed impressive for the price?

June 25, 2012, 10:18 PM
I've looked through the leupold as well. They seem a bit nicer but when I bought the Nikon, it came with the mount for free so I made my decision based on the freebie.:)

June 25, 2012, 10:43 PM
Gotcha. Plenty of good options out there..

June 25, 2012, 10:43 PM
I have a Nikon M-223 1-4 on one of my ARs and really like it. Nice clear optics and the 1-4 variable is just right for me on this gun.


June 25, 2012, 10:56 PM
Very nice!

June 25, 2012, 10:58 PM
I have an Aimpoint PRO Patrol on my BCM middy and love it. It's been on for 6 months with no ill effects. For $400 at Aim (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XAP12841&name=Aimpoint+PRO+Patrol+Rifle+Optic+Red+Dot+Sight&groupid=84) it's tough to beat.

June 25, 2012, 11:05 PM
Take a look at a Vortex Viper PST 1-4 with illuminated reticle. Best compromise of everything.

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June 25, 2012, 11:09 PM
I have not seen the m223 in person yet, but have heard good things. Checked out the 1-4x Leupold Mark AR at my local gun shop tonight. Seemed impressive for the price?
When looking at the Leupold make sure that the low-end is a true 1x. Leupold has a bad habit of fudging their zoom ranges to make them like wider zoom ranges than they really are. I'm not knocking their scopes, just their marketing. ;)

gun nut
June 25, 2012, 11:26 PM
Both of your picks would be excellent for what you want to do. Most of mine have scopes. Scopes are what I started with and am most used to. Depending what the gun is for I start with 1x4 and go up. My favorites are Nikon and Leupold.

June 26, 2012, 05:50 PM
Saw an Aimpoint PRO in my gunshop today. Wow, did it look nice!

June 26, 2012, 09:57 PM
As a general purpose optic, I really like the 1-4X scopes, such as the Nikon M-223. I have a Nikon 1-4X 20mm, and for $300, it is hard to beat. But several companies make nice 1-4X scopes, ranging from $200 - $600.

A red dot reflex or holographic sight is excellent if you want to optimize your rifle for CQB.

A high magnification scope (3-12X, 4-16X and up) are excellent if you want to optimize your rifle for long range precision shooting.

The 1-4X scope on the 1X setting is a lot like a red dot reflex sight, but a little less forgiving about head position... you need a cheek weld. But it is certainly a "both eyes open" kind of sight. It is faster than open sights and easier to use.

And at the 3X and 4X settings allow some nice long range work. If you spend some time shooting open sights out to 300+ yards, it is amazing what a difference a little bit of magnification makes. 4X doesn't sound like much, but it is a huge improvement over zero magnification.

For my AR-15, I didn't go with the Nikon M-223, I chose the Nikon Monarch equivalent. I liked the reticle better.

June 28, 2012, 12:49 PM
I've used just about everything out there over the years.
While I much prefer the Eotech's circle-dot reticle, Aimpoints have insane battery life, faster/more ergonomic controls, can be left on 24/7 and have fewer reported problems than Eotechs (ie: loss of nitrogen purge, delaminating HUDs, loss of zero, etc).
If this is for possible "serious social use" then don't skimp on the optic.

Due to my astigmatism, I use the 1x Leupold Prismatic w/DCD (double-circle dot) reticle:

Unilluminated reticle aiming at a std silhouette @ 50yds:

June 28, 2012, 05:16 PM
IMO for self defense you don't and shouldn't need magnification. Shoot someone pass 100 yards and most states won't consider that self-defense anyway. Reddots are easily good out to 200yds.

June 28, 2012, 05:35 PM
That's a great point! I think it makes the most sense for me to go with the aimpoint micro. If I decide at a later date that I want some distance, I could always go with a magnifier, or even a 1-4x scope. Realistically, if I can get 100 yards out of the red dot...that will be fine for my uses.

June 28, 2012, 09:19 PM
I have the Burris Prismatic, like Skadoosh. I love the thing. It is a great compromise. Illuminated reticle, 3x. I don't have the money for an Aimpoint/EO Tech And a magnifier, plus, putting all that on top of the rifle seems to increase the weight and decrease the handling characteristics of the rifle. I'm not saying the Burris is as good or as durable, but, for most tasks, I think it's just as effective for ~$300.

Mitranoc: You can use the Burris with both eyes open. 'Cause it's a 3x, it's not as easy to do as with an EOTech, but you can do it. If you use it as a traditional scope, yes, you have to have your eye relatively close. In that, it's like a traditional scope or an ACOG.

June 28, 2012, 10:05 PM
Derfinitely a lot of options. And it seems that they all have their pro's and con's...not matter how much spend.

Appreciate everyones input.

June 29, 2012, 09:15 AM
Just wondering if the Burris Xtreme, TAC 30, and MTAC (1-4x) are made in the USA?