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HALL,AUSTIN
May 7, 2012, 01:41 PM
Mods, this is a poll of tactical go to weapons, not a SHTF topic, based on practicality, please give it a chance before closing it.
Saturday on the way back from future soldier training I was talking to two of my recruiters and the topic of "go to war guns" came up. It was an around the car survey(2 gun max) and the answers were as follows (rules were two gun max and had to be something you owned, exept #3, he owns no firearms)

Sks & wasr10
Mak90 & full auto uzi
240B & 1911(too much call of duty? I think so)
Sks & maverick m88 w/polychoke

So my question is what do you choose, and please say why.

L_Killkenny
May 7, 2012, 01:53 PM
What is "future soldier training?

HALL,AUSTIN
May 7, 2012, 02:00 PM
Training to ready you for basic. Helps you learn all the things you need to know in the military. Ranks, recognition, how to wear the uniform(s), how to march, land nav, NATO phonetic alphabet, things like that, oh and PT.

tahunua001
May 7, 2012, 02:17 PM
I would say none of the above. if you are going to war you are either fighting a countrie that is using NATO calibers or soviet calibers.

an you could easily take a pair of AR15s, make one a dedicated 9mm and the other couple swap uppers between 5.56 nato and 7.62x39 and easily have a pair of battle rifles that could eat any ammo you could pillage.


my go to war scenarios have me packing a pistol and a rifle so my XDM9 on my hip and my 5.56 AR15 on my shoulder fits my scenarios more closely. if you are grabbing your gun and going to war you are either going to be resisting against a nation that uses 9mm and 5.56 or you are volunteering your assistance to a struggling military. in the former instance, you can round up parts and ammo from your adversaries and in the latter instance you have ammo compatibility with the real military. if you go with a comblock chamebered weapon you better hope that you are not in the first situation because the only ammo you will have will be what you have already stockpiled.

HALL,AUSTIN
May 7, 2012, 02:25 PM
I dont own an ar so i opted an sks and my shotgun. But I was very surprised that both recruiters, having been deployed passed up their M16a2/M4s

rickyrick
May 7, 2012, 07:18 PM
I doubt the recruiters owned m16a2/m4's. I find this future soldier training concept a little strange. But my experience is that recruiters will say anything. I was in the army for a long time and the recruiters told my daughter that she wouldn't deploy. I didn't let her talk to thrm again.

BigMikey76
May 7, 2012, 08:01 PM
There is nothing fishy about "future soldier training." A buddy of mine went into the Marine Corps right out of high school, and all through his senior year, he went to meetings every other Saturday where they ran them through PT and got them used to the different military terminology so they would have a leg up when they went to basic. It also served to help some of them realize that they weren't cut out for it before shipping out. This was not a "let's make it look fun" recruiting strategy - they had all already decided to go, and many had already signed papers when they turned 18 so they could ship out after graduation.

As far as the actual question, my .22s wouldn't get me very far in a war, and my 7mm08 would be highly impractical, so I probably would not last long if I had to provide my own equipment. Thank God Uncle Sam makes sure our boys are properly outfitted.

zippy13
May 7, 2012, 08:46 PM
Thank God Uncle Sam makes sure our boys are properly outfitted.
Wow, that's a pretty bold statement -- a possible topic for debate in another thread.

rickyrick
May 7, 2012, 08:51 PM
I didn't say fishy, just that the concept was strange to me.....we just got put on the bus and shipped into hell, LOL. Nothing the recruiters said panned out, except for the fact that you were joining the army.

i own a mini14 and a tactical shotgun, both have the main purpose of hog killing, they would serve the OP's role I suppose.

Good luck on your enlistment, despite the fact that recruiters have no soul, you should find it a satisfying career. Make the most out of the army and you will make the most out of yourself. All of my successes I can attribute to the army. Keep your head down.

Art Eatman
May 7, 2012, 08:52 PM
At age 77++, I ain't goin' off to war. But if war comes to me, I figure that for a sidearm I'll stay with the old 1911. It's sort of a long-time friend that's always worked quite well.

Long arm? An AR seems like it would be okay for social work, and mine is a sub-MOA critter (not that it really needs to be).

BigMikey76
May 7, 2012, 11:10 PM
Quote:
Thank God Uncle Sam makes sure our boys are properly outfitted.

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement -- a possible topic for debate in another thread.

Fair enough. I was just intending to say that I am glad our armed forces are not organized on a militia style "bring your own gun" basis, not trying to start a debate.

Buzzcook
May 8, 2012, 01:11 AM
The odds are close to 101% that I'd be very far from the front lines of any conflict.
So you'd have to add to the scenario "if you were young and skinny again".

Browning Hi-power 9mm.

Remington 870 12ga.

Even being young and with good eyes I doubt I'd get picked as a sniper or designated marksman. So that leaves out the bolt action.

hoytinak
May 8, 2012, 01:19 AM
I'd be content with my AR and HK USPc 9mm....

Lloyd Smale
May 8, 2012, 05:54 AM
if your going to train or practice why not use the guns your going to eventually use. Get yourself an ar and a berreta 9mm and learn them

tahunua001
May 8, 2012, 03:24 PM
if your going to train or practice why not use the guns your going to eventually use. Get yourself an ar and a berreta 9mm and learn them

people are getting hung up on the future soldier training remarks. I'm not sure if all branches call it the same but many people sign contracts to enter bootcamp at a later date and are enrolled into a delayed entry program. during this dep period you are expected to go to PT, learn rank insignias, terminology, drill commands and pass a physical prior to entering bootcamp. there is usually no firearms training involved, the op was merely having a gun related conversation with his recruiters.

HALL,AUSTIN
May 8, 2012, 06:44 PM
^ exactly this. We dont train with odds and ends weapons. This is a hypothetical question essentially based on what you are comfortable and train with. My shotgun feels like an extension of my arm (so long as the opposing force didnt dress up as clays)

rickyrick
May 8, 2012, 07:13 PM
I think the training is s good thing, I was delayed entry way, way, way, back in the day. the only thing we got was a bogus packing list of stuff that got put in a storage room till the end of basic then had to drag the junk back home on leave.

I think that you can train with any rifle and quickly adapt to a new one. Marksmanship skills are universal.

Good luck, drop us a line when basic is over.

HALL,AUSTIN
May 8, 2012, 08:03 PM
Will ddo rickyrick. But I still think I will love my sks like a family member.

Hook686
May 8, 2012, 08:18 PM
Is this, "future soldier training", what used to be ROTC in high school, when high schools had ROTC ?

kraigwy
May 8, 2012, 08:21 PM
Back when I was young and in my prime I joined the army (Jul 1966).

There was a war going on and I knew I'd get an invite. While in training my "go to war" rifle was a M14........why, cause that's what the army gave me.

When I left the 82nd Abn Div to actually go to war, the Army gave me an M16a1 and told me that was my "go to war" gun, and it was.

I'm pushing 65, I doubt I'll be going to war but if some weird circumstances they decided to take old men, I'm pretty sure the Army would tell me what my go to war rifle would be and probably give me one.

SPEMack618
May 8, 2012, 08:43 PM
I enlisted in the Guard when I turned 17 and spent weekends with other delayed enlisted folks like me doing PT and such before we left for BASIC, OSUT in my case.

My go to war weapon was an M-4A1 with a -203 slung underneath.

pvt.Long
May 8, 2012, 08:51 PM
I would take my m1A and the 240B any day of the week. marksmen skills are universal. Once you learn and implement your basic fundamentals you are golden.

HALL,AUSTIN
May 8, 2012, 09:01 PM
Well ya, this future soldier training is actually rather similar to the JROTC training I recieved.

gyvel
May 9, 2012, 09:37 AM
I'm pushing 65, I doubt I'll be going to war but if some weird circumstances they decided to take old men, I'm pretty sure the Army would tell me what my go to war rifle would be and probably give me one.

I'm past the 65 mark, but if they did decide to take old men, I just hope it would be something that didn't hurt my shoulder.:D

Hook686
May 9, 2012, 08:10 PM
kraigwy wrote:





that was my "go to war" gun

I don't think the Army told you that was your gun ... at least not any NCO.

Deja vu
May 9, 2012, 08:26 PM
I would use my lever action 357 magnum because it is very fast handling and I have shot it for nearly 30 years now. I know its not all tacticool and limited on the mods you can put on it but it is the one I would trust.

My back up would share the same caliber so I could swap back and forth as needed.

zbones6
May 29, 2012, 10:15 AM
I only have 1 gun, aMosin Nagant 91/30. Not the most tactical rifle on the market, but it will blow a hole in body armor at how many hundreds of yards?;)

MikeGunz
May 29, 2012, 12:16 PM
Sks & wasr10
Mak90 & full auto uzi
240B & 1911(too much call of duty? I think so)
Sks & maverick m88 w/polychoke

Think you play to much video games.....
How about if youre a rifleman you carry a rifle...
99% of war is humping around being miserable. Have fun carrying multiple firearms that are useless any ways. Ill take the lightest rifle I can find with around 10 mags of ammo.

Buzzcook
May 29, 2012, 05:46 PM
MikeGunz: the OP's list was two guns each picked by four different people, not eight guns he'd take himself.

swopjan
May 29, 2012, 09:07 PM
Something you own... well, I think I'd Jesse James it up in that case with a plethora of single-action revolvers. can you say blaze of glory?

a 240B weighs 27 pounds empty and w/o tripod, good luck sneaking around with that :D