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davis21b
April 22, 2012, 09:03 AM
Has anyone used Hoppe's Bore Snake, or Hoppe's Bore Snake Viper while breaking in there new barrel? It seems like it would be a little easier. I maybe wrong I have never done a barrel break in but, I do plan on breaking in the rifle I will be getting soon.

mehavey
April 22, 2012, 09:21 AM
If you're going to do a 'classic' break-in, you will fire 1-3 shots, then clean the barrel thoroughly (not just powder solvent/ but a heavy-duty copper-cleaner as well).

Then 5 shots and another solvent/copper cleaning session

Then another 5-10 shots (etc/copper etc)

And another 10-20..... (you get the picture)

The bore snake aspect sorta gets lost in the wash here when you consider you need to soak the bore for 10-15 minutes in powder solvent (MPro-7 or KG-1) and then scrub/patch it out dry/ditto with copper solvent (I recommend KG-12 only).

After this first "break-in" session the bore snake is just fine as final clean-out, while still using (at very least) a pull-through cable to soak the bore w/ solvent/semi-dry it out/apply final BreakFree CLP after the snake.
https://www.deweyrods.com/cart/image/cache/data/Cable-500x500.jpg




post script: The whole concept/utility of 'Break-In' on modern quality barrels is highly debated -- but gee,... it can't hurt

FrosSsT
April 22, 2012, 10:25 AM
I remember reading a long article here about how barrel break ins are a myth. I cant remember the exact wording but whoever posted it had done a vast amount of research. Shoot the thing and clean it when your done - that is how it has been done with many guns I own and the barrels are all fine. "Breaking in" a barrel - nonsense.

davis21b
April 22, 2012, 11:56 AM
I've have been reading on it too but, I figured that it really wouldn't hurt. I really didn't think about it the way mehavey explained it before I asked though. I figure with as much as I'm about to shed out for this rifle I would do a rifle break in.

JeffSSig
April 22, 2012, 12:17 PM
Two Ruger 10/22s bought at the same time. They are 5 numbers apart in serial numbers. One by myself and the other by my brother.

One was broken in by the "classic" barrel break in and the other was just shot until it needed cleaning.
One year latter one will shoot under 1 inch groups all day long at 50yds and the other struggles to make 2 inch groups with the same ammo. With both being shot by the same shooter.

Guess what one shoots the 1 inch groups.

Darren Roberts
April 22, 2012, 01:00 PM
What is your definition of "shot untill it needed cleaning"?

For purchsed rifles, if you clean your rifle after each use, and periodically if not being used, your barrels will be fine.

If you machine your own rifle and turn your own barrel...then yeah, I could see where someone might want to break it in.

I never have "broke" one in by a specific step by step process, and rifles I,ve had for several years still shoot MOA or Sub for their respective ranges.

5RWill
April 22, 2012, 03:19 PM
Barrel Break In is a myth...IMO and others.
http://www.6mmbr.com/gailmcmbreakin.html

warbirdlover
April 23, 2012, 03:31 PM
I've found a new rifle either shoots good groups or it doesn't. Barrel break in wouldn't make any difference. You have a good barrel or a bad one.

But!!!

After I put the new Boyds stock on my Ruger 77 MkII the rifle that used to shoot good groups no longer did until I had it free floated, pillar and glass bedded by a gunsmith. So just remember the barrel is NOT the only part of the equation. :D

arizona98tj
April 23, 2012, 10:08 PM
Two Ruger 10/22s bought at the same time. They are 5 numbers apart in serial numbers. One by myself and the other by my brother.

One was broken in by the "classic" barrel break in and the other was just shot until it needed cleaning.
One year latter one will shoot under 1 inch groups all day long at 50yds and the other struggles to make 2 inch groups with the same ammo. With both being shot by the same shooter.

Guess what one shoots the 1 inch groups.

Interesting story but it proves nothing, unless you can certify (somehow) that both chambers/bores were identically produced at the start. Just because they have a very close serial # means nothing. The barrels may have been made months apart....and pulled from a pile of barrels during assembly and marking.

5RWill
April 23, 2012, 10:14 PM
Also the accuracy increase that most get from "breaking in" a barrel is due to a barrel being cut with a reamer with a dull throater leaving burrs that are smoothed out after 100-200 rounds or so. Custom barrels don't tend to have this problem, as factories let reamers go longer than your local smith would.

Another note how does running a patch through the bore with solvent on it, alter the barrel to shoot any better?

bfoosh006
April 28, 2012, 03:36 PM
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm

Krieger Barrels answer.

jmr40
April 28, 2012, 04:23 PM
Gale McMillans advice. Taken from an early post here.

Posted: 01-25-2000 05:19
I just read the Feb edition of rifleman. No wonder it has shrunk to a few pages when they print such garbage as the barrel break in. It's lucky it doesn't
have much following now. As a life member and a barrel maker of long standing be assured I will call them on this BS!!! I can say that there are enough
barrels ruined by ignorance without encouraging the masses to commit mechanical suicide with such BS


Posted: 01-27-2000 08:57
I will make one last post on this subject and appeal to logic on this subject I think it is the height of arrogance to believe a novice can improve a barrel
using a cleaning rod more than that a barrel maker can do with 30 years of experience and a * million dollars in equipment . The barrel is a relatively
precise bit of machining and to imagine that it can be improved on with a bit of abrasive smeared on a patch or embedded in a bullet. The surface finish
of a barrel is a delicate thing with more of them being ruined with a cleaning rod in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use one. I would
never in a million years buy a used rifle now because you well may buy one that has been improved. First give a little thought to what you think you
are accomplishing with any of the break in methods. Do you really believe that if what you are doing would help a barrel that the barrel maker wouldn't
have already done it. The best marketing advantage he can have is for his barrels to out perform his competitors! Of coarse he is happy to see you
poking things in your barrel . Its only going to improve his sales. Get real!!!! I am not saying the following to brag because the record speak for it' self
McMillan barrels won the gold at 4 straight Olympics. Won the Leach Cup eight years running. Had more barrels in the Wimbledon shoot off every year
for 4 straight yearsthan any other make. Set the national 1000 yard record 17 times in one year. Held 7 world records at the same time in the NBRSA .
Won the national silhouette matches 5 straight times and set 3 world records while doing that . Shot the only two 6400 scores in the history of small
bore and holds a 100 yard world record that will stand for ever at .009 of one inch. All with barrels the shooter didn't have to improve on by breaking
them in.

Noreaster
April 28, 2012, 06:07 PM
I did it with a bore snake. Maybe it's a myth but it doesn't hurt and with a bore snake at the range with you it's easy. Good way to sight in because you don't let the barrel get to hot when your stopping to clean it every few rounds.

jmr40
April 28, 2012, 07:03 PM
Maybe it's a myth but it doesn't hurt

One of Americas best custom rifle makers disagrees with you.

As a life member and a barrel maker of long standing be assured I will call them on this BS!!! I can say that there are enough
barrels ruined by ignorance without encouraging the masses to commit mechanical suicide with such BS



The surface finish
of a barrel is a delicate thing with more of them being ruined with a cleaning rod in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use one. I would
never in a million years buy a used rifle now because you well may buy one that has been improved.

mehavey
April 28, 2012, 09:00 PM
The surface finish
of a barrel is a delicate thing...

Oh boy... :rolleyes:

Do I now presume that normal cleaning (which all that "break-in" is, other than that cleaning taking
place with greater care -- and in sequence -- with the first several dozen shots) inflicts some damage
greater than the first several hundred high pressure/high speed bullet rounds?

As to the opinion of expert barrel-makers, John Krieger provides the most common sense... as noted in a post above, and again below.

http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm

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HKFan9
April 28, 2012, 09:37 PM
Every time I go to the rifle range there is some poor sap sitting there with sweat on his brow doing a "barrel break in". I just sit there and enjoy shooting my rifle. I don't ask what they are doing... I don't give my advise or opinion, I just do what I came there to do.. enjoy myself.

If they ask me while I am measuring and recording my group sizes what I did to break my barrel in, I tell them I sighted it in... and cleaned it before I put it away.

Every time you fire your rifle that rifling is degrading, so why pump extra rounds through it. Every time you improperly clean it with some cheap Hoppe's kit cleaning rod with out a proper guide, you degrade that barrel a little more.

Just shoot the damn things and have fun with it, clean it when you go home.

Brian Pfleuger
April 28, 2012, 09:41 PM
Don't you just hate when two recognized experts have polar opposite opinions?:D

I'm in the "can't hurt, might help" camp.

"Can't hurt", if you know how to clean a gun. If you don't, why are we talking barrel break-in? Learn how to clean a gun first.

Might help, for all the reasons in the link above.

twins
April 29, 2012, 05:42 AM
Do you start with your left foot or right foot when you tie your shoes? I start with my left foot on range days and never have a bad range day.

It doesn't hurt, but it might help with your shooting.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste, along with barrel break-in.

mehavey
April 29, 2012, 06:44 AM
I believe the term 'YMMV' is appropriate here...
(since we are now into the prohibited zone of religion)

:D :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:

cookie5
May 18, 2012, 11:01 PM
Barrel break in is the biggest joke ever played on gun owners.

oneshot onekill
May 19, 2012, 07:00 AM
It's really just a waste of a little time and a little money. If you have time to waste and it makes you feel better, by all means, do it. To argue about it is just silly. I've seen guys at the range breaking in their barrel too. They've always appeared to be enjoying their range time just as much as I am. For some, it's part of the joy of shooting. It's kinda like waxing your car. It's a little hard work that yields no benefit to the performance... But a lot of people do it... And appear to enjoy doing it. Leave them be...

TMD
May 19, 2012, 07:15 AM
I don't know whats more of a joke, barrel break in or bore snakes. For all you bore snake users out there I want you to think about this for s second. After you pull your precious bore snake through your dirty barrel the first time all you are doing is dragging the same dirt through over and over again until you was is out. $15 worth of patched will last a lot longer that a bore snake ever will.

Edward429451
May 19, 2012, 01:16 PM
If barrel break in was all that, there wouldn't be any arguments about it. I see it as some anal benchresters attempt to shrink his groups from 1/2" to 3/8" at 400 yards or whatever. This is perfectly ok if you are into that sort of thing to that degree.

Comparing two guns of the same model where only one gets the break in process and then shooting better than the other doesn't really prove anything because of the number of variables between the guns. One gun is going to shoot better than the other gun even if you don't break it in.

Pity you can't do a before & after test cause that would add a log to the fire, lol. If you shoot a single control group at first, would that invalidate the break in? If it didn't, then how can we be sure that shooter didn't merely shoot a bad group at first and warmed up after that? Or vice versa? :D

Cryogenic treating at any point in the barrels life is a more proven way to improve a weapons accuracy than break in.