View Full Version : What is the most under-rated semiauto???

Mr. Pub
November 27, 2000, 10:38 AM
Almost everyone knows about Glocks, Kimbers, HK's and Sig's, but how about the others? What am I overlooking?

I have the feeling that many good guns aren't widely owned because of marketing, dealers not carrying them, etc.

What would you say is the most under-rated semiauto pistol that you would recommend for others to add to their collection?

George Hill
November 27, 2000, 10:42 AM
Browning High Power.

November 27, 2000, 10:45 AM
CZ 75b
Ruger- Take your pick

November 27, 2000, 11:04 AM
The Walther P5 Compact.

Only a few make it to this country but these pistols, IMHO, are the finest 9mm carry gun made today.

See my web site for a few pics of the P5c.


Mike Irwin
November 27, 2000, 11:13 AM
In general, Rugers.

People seem to sneer at them because they're cheap and ungainly looking.

But, fact of the matter is, they work, and work well.

November 27, 2000, 11:40 AM
Another vote for Ruger. Reliable, durable, inexpensive.

November 27, 2000, 12:32 PM
I'd have to give a thumbs up to the Baby Eagle 9mm. Don't hear to much about them and for the money I don't think they can be beat ;)

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The Triple F Ranch

November 27, 2000, 12:39 PM
Ruger service autos

Anything CZ

EAA line of pistols

Hi-point 45. (go try one before laughing. I was surprised)

Bersa .380s

November 27, 2000, 01:29 PM
EAA Witness and Makarov.

Hard Ball
November 27, 2000, 01:34 PM
The CZ75/85 and the CZ97B.

Quantum Singularity
November 27, 2000, 01:34 PM
Polymer P-Series Rugers...

In general, these guns have great accuracy, triggers, very good ergonomics, etc and a low price included!

My Ruger P97 will outshoot BOTH Sig Sauers I own. That is saying a lot since Sigs are tackdrivers.

[Edited by Quantum Singularity on 11-30-2000 at 12:00 AM]

November 27, 2000, 01:53 PM
Tack another one on for the Ruger p-series.
Affordable...durable...reliable..good accuracy.

November 27, 2000, 02:04 PM
P08 German Ruger, er, Luger!

The original (and still the best!) 9mm. Don't need no accuracy job, will hold a 4" group with 50 shots -- better if you're a better shot.

November 27, 2000, 02:08 PM
CZ-75 all varients

Jody Hudson
November 27, 2000, 02:30 PM
Makarov, by far. The Makarov in 9x18 is perhaps the finest pistol at any price for defense; as it is small, light, accurate and DEPENDABLE!!!! If the Makarov was still over $1,000 as it was 15 years ago, it would get a lot more respect now. But since the Commies dumped bazillions of them on the market and flooded the American market with them, the prices have plummeted and stayed down, we can buy them for $200 or less.

Next would be the CZ

November 27, 2000, 02:58 PM
Beretta 92 and 96 series.

November 27, 2000, 03:00 PM
What Quantum said. All Rugers, but mostly the P95/97s. My P97 is just as good as my SIGs & Glock (If not better). CZs would be runner-up. JMNSHO.

Dave R
November 27, 2000, 03:06 PM
The FEG PJK-9HP is a great clone of the Browning Hi-Power. Here have been several threads at TFL extolling their virtues. Made in Hungary. Imported by KBI. I've seen NIB prices from $199 to $250. Parts-compatible with the BHP, so you get access to all the add-ons & spare parts & gunsmiths.

A truly great value.

FEG also makes a clone of the PPK that is well-regarded. I own both and am very pleased.

November 27, 2000, 05:03 PM
Rugers and Makarovs
Both are hard to beat for the money.

November 27, 2000, 05:10 PM
Lets not forget about Taurus, I know they get a bad rap, but for the most part they are very good guns and have the best warranty in the business.

November 27, 2000, 05:30 PM

Of course I could be wrong (as rare as it may be;)).

November 27, 2000, 05:32 PM
The Browing high power is the jewel of under rated guns.

November 27, 2000, 05:41 PM
I have to cast my vote for Makarov. It has exceeded all expectations so far.

.. of course, you could always choose to recount my vote if you don't like it.

November 27, 2000, 05:46 PM
Just to put in my $.02. I will give another vote for the Ruger P-Series. My P94 is more accurate than any 9mm I have owned or shot, and that is including the Beretta 92. But that is just for me. I will also give another vote for the Bersa Series 95. This gun truly amazes me, and to think I paid $180 for it N.I.B.

November 27, 2000, 05:55 PM
My two cents' worth: Any Ruger P-Series auto, esp. the P-95 and P-97; Kel-Tec P-11; Makarov; CZ75 and CZ85...all very good weapons, all under-rated and all EXCELLENT buys!!!....mikey357 OOPS! Almost forgot the Bersa .380...very good piece for the $$$

[Edited by mikey357 on 11-27-2000 at 11:23 PM]

Mike H
November 27, 2000, 06:27 PM
Bersa Thunder Lite in .380 ACP.

Almost identical to the previously mentioned Series 95 but a little more modern in design and lighter in weight (I think). Superb PPK copy available in a choice of 3 finishes, superb accuracy, as reliable as pistols costing 3 or 4 times as much. Cost - can be had for $160 NIB, every old lady and unaccompanied female should be issued with one and 50 rounds of 102gr Golden Sabers.

Mike H

November 27, 2000, 07:08 PM
I nominate the Makarov. It's a great little pistol at an almost unbelievable price (although the price was better when I bought mine in early 1994). Is it perfect? No, but it's extremely reliable, accurate, and user friendly.

Kahrs are also great, but I don't think they are underrated; I've read a lot of good press about them.

November 27, 2000, 07:42 PM
Makarov and Bersa Thunder :D

November 27, 2000, 08:16 PM
Ruger all the way!!

Ala Dan
November 27, 2000, 08:49 PM
Another vote for ANY Ruger.

Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

November 27, 2000, 09:43 PM

November 27, 2000, 09:48 PM
Rugers, Maks, and Keltecs. Also, I keep hearing good things about Charles Daly 1911 clones. I think next time I go to the range I might rent one and see for myself.

Tropical Z
November 27, 2000, 09:54 PM
1. FEG
2. EAA Witness Series
3.Hi-Point :)

November 27, 2000, 10:13 PM
my vote goes to the Star Firestar + lightweight with 13 round mag and very affordable

November 27, 2000, 11:58 PM
Rugers, of course!

Oleg Volk
November 28, 2000, 12:23 AM
Very flat reliable gun with a decent trigger. However, it has no safety while the Norinko version with a safety isn't as reliable.

November 28, 2000, 07:05 AM
From the replies in this thread, we may have to ask the owner to start a mak forum.Maybe put it right between "general discussion" and "legal and political".hehehe
I love it when a plan comes together!

Jody Hudson
November 28, 2000, 08:29 AM
Makarov.com is a great information site BUT the discussion is nearly unusable compared to the software we use here.

As I have said many times in many places... I consider the Makarov the finest military/police/defense/carry pistol ever made!!! The Walther P5 Kompac is certainly FINE as are several of the others mentioned here. In fact I consider the P5K almost as good as the Makarov... but it is about 7 times more expensive.

I would love to see, if not a Makarov forum... at least those of us who are familiar with - and thus love - the Makarov can introduce others to the amazingly wonderful 9x18 Makarov.

Rev. Makarov
Pastor of the
Makarovian Church of America
(at least that is what I'm accused of by many who know me ;)

November 28, 2000, 08:52 AM
I would say in order;1- Any CZ handgun,2- Star Firestar,3- Ruger P-95,4-AMT 1911's.

November 28, 2000, 11:52 AM
Of those that I've actually used, not just heard about:

Baby Eagle
Feg Hi-Power

Robert the41MagFan
November 28, 2000, 01:51 PM
Guess this is the under rated of all the under rated, because have not seen one mentioned.

Charles Daly!

November 28, 2000, 02:50 PM

November 28, 2000, 03:24 PM
From personal experience,


2)The Baby Eagle series from Magnum Research.
(see thread)

There are others, but I haven't owned them and can't comment.

November 28, 2000, 07:44 PM

November 29, 2000, 01:54 AM
Ruger semis. Taurus revolvers.

November 29, 2000, 10:06 AM
I'll have to go with my service piece. S & W 5906!!

November 29, 2000, 07:03 PM
Astra Firecat
SIG Trailside (shoots with gun costing 4-5 times as much)
centerfire Ruger autos

November 29, 2000, 09:24 PM
Star BM. Regards, Richard.

Dan in GA
November 29, 2000, 11:58 PM
I cast my vote for the CZ's.....followed by the Tangfolio copies of the CZ's

November 30, 2000, 08:15 AM
Witness/Tanfoglio, Makarov, Ruger, and CZ's


November 30, 2000, 08:31 AM
BHP'S great guns If you haven't shot one you should! Also the star firestar plus 13rd mag, AL frame, single action, sort of a mini BHP.Patrick

Desert Dog
November 30, 2000, 02:38 PM
And I will put my requisite "RUGERS!" into the mix.

November 30, 2000, 11:04 PM
AMT Hardballer 1911. Great Value, Surprising quality. In my experience. If they would only make more variety of 1911's, ie: Commader & Officer models.

November 30, 2000, 11:34 PM
I must concur with those who mentioned the Ruger P Series.

After that, I'd say the current stock 1911s from Colt or Springfield. Sure they aren't the high end customs, but so what? They are still more than adequate, and many would say much more...