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travisisrad
September 13, 2011, 07:21 PM
I'm looking for a 9mm...a friend said he really loved the Springfield XDm but he also said Taurus is a nice gun as well. I was originally thinking Glock but after shopping around I found good reviews for the XDm and only a few vague, but good reviews for the Taurus 24/7 Pro Long Slide. They are both in my price range and are full frame. Now which is the better pistol when all I really want to do is target shooting?

old bear
September 13, 2011, 07:40 PM
The best 9 M/M ever made is the Browning H.P. More than either you mentioned but well wort the expense. Of all the guns' I've traded/sold over the years my H.P. is the only one I really regret selling.

travisisrad
September 13, 2011, 08:18 PM
So what does the Browning have over the Springfield and Taurus that would convince me to spend 2-300 extra? Sights, trigger pull, simplicity? I'm a beginner shooter and this would be my first gun purchase (instead of borrowing one.)

Grapevinebill
September 13, 2011, 08:22 PM
Friend, there is only one right answer for you. Try to find a range where you can shoot as many guns as you can rent. Get a feel for the one that you like and fits your needs. I just went through the same process and shot 3 gu s. The XD-M, a Glock 17 and a Beretta 92 FS. All priced very close to each other. I decided on the Beretta because I liked the way it felt in my hand and the accuracy it offered. You may have different results. Have fun, be safe and enjoy the ride.

zombieslayer
September 13, 2011, 08:27 PM
Id take just about anything over a taurus. Best 9mm plastic gun imo is the Walther P99. I had an XDm and it was a pretty swell gun btw.

CWKahrFan
September 13, 2011, 08:31 PM
How about a CZ 75?... In stock at Buds for $497...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_82/products_id/411539768

zebco
September 13, 2011, 08:38 PM
The two most accurate 9mm guns I've shot are the CZ 75 Compact PCR and the Beretta PX4. I also like the Glock 19.

Can't remember if it was on this board or another popular forum, but there was a lightly used PCR for sale in the classifieds for I believe $435 shipped. I would have been all over that one if it wasn't for the fact I already own one.

My suggestion to someone is what I've always done: Find a range with a good amount of rentals and pick the one that feels and shoots best. Well worth the $70 or so it may cost with ammo. That $70 will seem like nothing if it can help you avoid picking something you'll regret later on.

And of course, welcome to the board.

Cheapshooter
September 13, 2011, 08:43 PM
Grapevinebill has given you the only right answer. There are a lot of great 9's from a lot of good, reliable companies. You have to check them out first hand!

travisisrad
September 13, 2011, 08:48 PM
As zombieslayer keyed in on, I want a plastic gun. So is the consensus that the Taurus should be off the table? I'm shopping at Bud's, and I saw the CZ SP01 Phantom had some great reviews as well. The range is out of the question because the closest one with the broadest selection is 45 min away and I haven't that kind of time to devote to trials. That's why o thought the forum would be better to see what direction I should be looking.

MaXXimus
September 13, 2011, 08:52 PM
Friend, there is only one right answer for you. Try to find a range where you can shoot as many guns as you can rent. Get a feel for the one that you like and fits your needs. I just went through the same process and shot 3 guns. Have fun, be safe and enjoy the ride.

Hands down the best answer. Find what works best for you in your price range.

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speedfreeq
September 13, 2011, 09:01 PM
Well if you're shooting craps anyway, I'll throw in on the PX4 as well. Traded my Taurus PT111 for it, gladly.

I've shot XDm, Glock 23, Ruger LC9, Taurus PT111, and KelTec subcompact. They're all fine for putting 9mm holes in things.

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Fishbed77
September 13, 2011, 11:03 PM
I've shot XDm, Glock 23, Ruger LC9, Taurus PT111, and KelTec subcompact. They're all fine for putting 9mm holes in things.

For some reason, the very best 9mm holes come from my Walther P99AS. My brother's Ruger SR9 makes pretty decent 9mm holes.

All the 9mm holes I've seen come from Glocks are just ugly.

moose_nukelz
September 13, 2011, 11:08 PM
If you plan on buying you really need to devote the time to get to a shop and see what works for you. Not just the grip, but how you manipulate the controls and how it feels when you shoot.

daliff89
September 13, 2011, 11:53 PM
i have a Glock in .45 and like it pretty well

i really like the G26, it's a sub-compact 9mm

i've never shot a XD9, but i really liked the XD45 that i shot, i liked it better than i like shooting my Glock to be honest, i just couldn't find one for the right price at the time

tahunua001
September 14, 2011, 01:45 AM
ok buddy unlike the other guys I'll give you specific information on your two guns
the XDM is a beautiful design. it manages recoil very well, has a lifetime warranty, has a very nice trigger as far as polymer pistols go, is very accurate, is very durable and will eat any ammo you put in it. I have the XDM in 45 acp and it has less recoil than a glock 22...louder noise but less recoil. as far as simplicity, I have yet to see a pistol that disassembles as easily as an XDM, you just lock the slide back, flip the disassembly lever up and release the slide and presto, gun field stripped.

the taurus has a manual safety, the XDM does not, all of the safeties on the XDM are automatically disengaged during intentional firing.

the taurus has a very long trigger pull, XDM is about average for service pistols

ergonomics is going to be very subjective but I believe the XDM has better ergos.

the taurus has 17+1 ammo cap, the XDM has 19+1 ammo cap.

the taurus has a DA/SA trigger while the XDM is closer to a Single action only(springfield classifies it as a striker fired trigger since it does not fall into either single or double action criteria).

the taurus is 28 OZ, the XDM is 32 oz.

taurus has developed a very poor reputation over the years for shoddy workmanship and poor quality control. I cant speak for them in recent years but I know that from the very beginning the XDM has been 100% quality.

hope this helps.

MikeNice81
September 14, 2011, 02:53 AM
When it comes to Taurus I think my department's Range Officer said it best, "Taurus is great after you do the quality control and send it back." I had two Taurus revolvers and they worked great. The semi-autos have a spotty reputation though.

The XD and XDm are a little more refined than most Taurus pistols I have operated. They also have a longer standing reputation for getting it right the first time.

For me the CZ P-07 Duty is my gun of choice. I wouldn't trade it for either of the above mentioned guns. I made that decision by handling the gun and seeing what felt right. The XDs are too top heavy for me. The Taurus 24/7 was decently balanced but seemed rough and less refined. The CZ just fit and felt right.

Shoot everything you can and handle everything you can't shoot. You might be suprised by what you like.

8shot357
September 14, 2011, 03:58 AM
No Taurus, the XDm is the way to go. I don't own either, but try out the XDm, you won't be disappointed.

But don't take my word for it, find out for your self.

Sparks1957
September 14, 2011, 04:39 AM
The pistol I go to first in my collection is my SIG P229 9mm. Finest handgun I have ever owned, and I trust my life to it.

new_scopeshooter
September 14, 2011, 06:05 AM
I have no experiance with the xdm. But I have over 6000 rounds throuh xd9 and xd45. And a I have ownd a 24/7. Hands down the 24/7 wasn't for me. Horrible trigger and it didn't shoot well at all(maybe do to the trigger pull) I would rent a couple diff guns if possible... if not go to a local rang and maybe some shooters will be nice and let you shoot a couple.( I always try to let others shoot my guns if they ask for guidence

dkm455
September 14, 2011, 07:17 AM
If you're set on a polymer gun, check out the Walther PPQ. Great feel in hand (subjective, I know) and fantastic accuracy for me - and easily the best striker fired trigger I've felt in a plastic gun.

loose_holster_dan
September 14, 2011, 07:58 AM
don't waste your money on a taurus. they are trash. my first two guns were taurus (pt917c and 24/7 pro c). as soon as i bought my first quality gun, i realized what i was missing and sold the taurus.

output
September 14, 2011, 08:28 AM
I have a few polymer pistols all of which are very reliable and accurate (I guess I’ve been lucky.) My collection includes XD’s, Glock’s, and S&W MP’s.

If I my only options were the XDM or the Taurus I would pick the XDM. Here is why, I have handled and fired them both and I like the way the XDM feels/fits my hand. I also think the XDM is more esthetically pleasing, YMMV which is why you should try them both at a local range before you make a purchase. All of us have varying preferences that can differ greatly person to person but at the end of the day it is really just personal preference. There is no “best.”

I would also add the S&W MP to the list of pistols to try. If I am not mistaken they are going for $435.00 as I write this post. At that price point I don’t think you can buy a better pistol dollar for dollar…but that is just my opinion.
Best of luck to you Sir.

pgdion
September 14, 2011, 08:37 AM
Deciding on 9mm for your first gun is definitely the right choice. It's the best caliber to start with and may be the one you prefer in the long run as well (it is mine). After that, yea, what GrapevineBill said. I went through a lot of different guns at the top of my list before buying 1. Originally my #1 choice was the M&P, the SR9 was I think #2. To this day I still don't own either one. My 1st gun ended up being the Beretta 92FS and it's by far still my favorite. My second was a Cougar, a gun I didn't even know existed when I started looking.
If you want suggestions, XD/XDm is a good choice, I also like Beretta 92FS, the PX4, CZ75D, Stoeger Cougar, SR9, Smith 5906, Sig 226, Smith M&P, Walther P99, ect. It's a long list. Best shooting is easily the 92FS, best feeling in my hand has got to be that Cougar.

SteelChickenShooter
September 14, 2011, 04:26 PM
Want a good gun for targets in 9mm? Awful hard to beat a Glock34.
If I could have only one 9mm, it would be a CZ75-P01, NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

chris in va
September 14, 2011, 04:34 PM
The XD, Taurus and Glock 17/19 are primarily 'combat' handguns and aren't set up to be precision target shooters. They'll come with combat non-adjustable sights and so-so triggers.

I've fired quite a few different handguns and owned an XD9. My CZ 75BD is still my primary range gun after everything else has been bought and sold, if that tells you anything.

aarondhgraham
September 14, 2011, 04:42 PM
I can't tell you what is the best 9mm out there,,,
Best is such a subjective term.

After shooting somewhere around 40 different 9mm pistols,,,
I decided I liked the DA/SA pistols with an exposed hammer.

I eventually bought a CZ-75B and could not be happier.
http://qwww.aarondgraham.com/lwat/handguns/27-tmavazena.JPG

grapevinebill gave you the best advice,,,

Try to find a range where you can shoot as many guns as you can rent. Get a feel for the one that you like and fits your needs.

You may despise DA/SA actions,,,
You might fall in love with Ruger DAO pistols,,,
Or (Heaven forbid) you might decide to go for a ~choke~ Glock. :eek:

Last month a good friend of mine bought a Springfield XDM,,,
I truly do not like that gun even one little bit,,,
But he loves it and therefore shoots it,,,
He despises my CZ-75B by the way.

It's all subjective my friend,,,
Pay no attention to us fanboys,,,
Rent, borrow, and shoot lots of guns,,,
Buy the one that fits your hand and makes you smile when you hold it.

That will be the "best" gun for you.

Aarond

C0untZer0
September 14, 2011, 05:32 PM
I had a Browning High-Power and I regret the fact that I no longer have it. But it's not the best 9 ever made. The best 9 ever made was the H&K P7M8. I have had one since 1985 and it has never experienced a failure of any kind. I absolutely feel 100% sure that this pistol will fire when I need it to and that it will not fail me.

I personally find slide mounted controls difficult to operate.

I don't like de-cockers.

I don't like any safeties that flip UP, but that's my preferences.

I don't like Glock triggers.

I don't like most DOA triggers.

I don't like DA/SA triggers.

The XD trigger is not great but it's not awful, so I think I could live with it.

You should rent some and see how you like them.

vyse.04
September 14, 2011, 05:39 PM
I would also recommend shooting a few different handguns to get a feel for them first... Especially if you plan on keeping it for a long time. The last thing you want to end up getting is something that you can't/don't want to shoot.

BigJimP
September 14, 2011, 05:53 PM
Since you won't take the time / on the recommendation to go to a range and rent some guns ....its a crapshoot ....

but it isn't about what we like / its about what you like - that fits your hands. What fits my hands at 6'5" and 275 lbs ..and hands like a cathers mitt ....isn't what you care about ....

Then it comes down to what you want ...poly, steel, ....type of sights ...specs on a trigger ( is 4.5 lbs ok / what about 6 lbs / or maybe 8 lbs ) ...do you want DAO, DAK, DA-SA ....does it need to have a safety ...or a decocker...is single stack ok ...or does it need to be a double stack ...does it have any adjustability for grip sizes ( inserts or whatever ) - can you change the grips and what does it cost ...

But to answer your question ...its my opinion that most of what Taurus makes is junk .../ so of your choices - the XD or maybe the CZ / or maybe a Glock model like a model 34 ...that has a vastly improved trigger over most other Glock models....or maybe one of the Sigs ( they make poly as well ) ....and on the higher end of many guns is a maker like Wilson Combat that is making a poly frame 1911 now and its a double stack as well..the spec ops model ..

http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_specops.htm
or one of their other 1911's - that they'll make in 9mm....

The good thing is ...these days ...you have lots of choices / hopefully one will feel just right and meet your budget too / and no matter what - have fun in the process !

Personally, if I wanted a poly 9mm ...the Wilson spec ops would be high on my list....

Nordeste
September 14, 2011, 06:01 PM
There are a LOT of factors to be considered as to reccomend this one or that one pistol in a case like yours. Is it going to be CCW or just range/HD gun?. Do you want a light polymer one or prefer the traditonal all-metal stuff?.

To make this short, let's start from the all-metal full-size pistols. I have two favourites in that league, CZ75 SP01 and Beretta 92FS. Both are heavy, accurate, reliable, easy on recoil pistols. The felt recoil and trigger are on the CZ side, but the 92FS is nowhere far from there. I'll tell you that I carry a 92 every day at work and feel quite comfortable with such a fine weapon.

If you want something lighter and more concealable, you gotta go polymer. Within this group, I have another preference for the Beretta PX4 (that's why I own one :rolleyes:) since I don't like the grips and trigger of Glock's, didn't like the XD when I shot it, and didn't like that much the HK USP Compact I also shot. SW M&P make for happy customers too, but you'll read complaints about their trigger, which you won't in a traditional hammer fired pistol like the PX4 is, which, besides, is quite pleasant to shoot and controllable due to its rotating barrel design.

It's quite personal. First decide the size and type of pistol you want, then try to shoot them, and it'll be easier to decide.

travisisrad
September 14, 2011, 06:14 PM
Thanks for all the helpful hints...so here's my opinion after reading the opinions on. This thread...I've decided to MAKE time to try out the pistols I'm most interested in which have now become the XDm and the CZ I mentioned above. Any other suggestions would be considered too.

Mrgunsngear
September 14, 2011, 07:35 PM
If you like the CZ, I say check out the P-07 model. It has the same grip angle but has some modern 'improvements' if you will. CZ makes a great product and all their models are good guns.

That said, put me down for the M&P 9 Pro (4'' with night sights). It's an awesome gun all around. Great ergos, interchangeable backstraps, night sights, awesome (for a non 1911) trigger, 100% reliability, and great accuracy. If you do a search, you'll see the review I did of mine about a month ago...

Good luck and choose what you like best in the end.

pilpens
September 14, 2011, 08:07 PM
if your primary purpose or the pistol is target shooting, then I recommend the following 9mm pistols:
1st. 1911 (STI Spartan, Kimber Custom II, STI Trojan $1000).
2nd. EAA Witness Match.
3rd. Walther P99 - PPQ or SA/DA
3rd. Sig P22x - 226 or P225/P6 depending on your hand size.

I have shot all the pistols I recommend.
1st --- For range fun, it would be very difficult to beat a 1911. Very good SA trigger and in 9mm, the recoil is mild. I have a STI Trojan and Kimber. The STI trojan cycles smoother than the kimber but both are equally good pistols. The kimber is very accurate with remington 115 fmjs and not as well with other walmart cheap ammo while the STI seems to perform more consistently with a variety of ammo but are capable of very good accuracy given the right ammo.
2nd --- I recently shot an EAA Witness Match in 9mm. Mild felt recoil; milder than my 1911s. Trigger is very good. It felt heavier than the 1911 but felt good in the hand. If not a 1911, this would be my choice.
3rd --- Walther P99 or Sig - just pick the one that fits you better. I like both pistols.
Walther comes with several front sights for elevation adjustment and a windage adjustable rear. Walther DA/SA is very nice. The ppq trigger is nicer than glock, XD, Xdm.
Sigs - what is there to say. Its a sig, it will shoot well. My P6 is surprisingly accurate. DA is OK after a spring swap, SA is very good. I ahve also shot a 226, 229, and a 225 -- all shot well.
Walther seems to recoil sharper some polymer pistols and I do not think i would like it if it is 40 S&W. Sig (P6) seems to flip up more than others but not sharp.

I recommend the pistols listed above over glock 26, 19,17 and 34, CZ 75B SA, S&W 5906, Ruger Pxx, SA XD, M&P etc. These are good pistols, too but for primarily target shooting, 1911 or EAA witness match feels best to me.

speedfreeq
September 14, 2011, 09:32 PM
...I've decided to MAKE time to try out the pistols I'm most interested in which have now become the XDm and the CZ I mentioned above. Any other suggestions would be considered too.

Awesome. Good move on your part. I had just come back in for a reality check: when I decided I wanted a sidearm, I did the paperwork with the local sheriff, then I went an bought the Taurus PT111 off a buddy. I didn't shoot anything else; it was a purchase of convenience. Hell, I'd not shot a handgun since I left the Navy over a decade ago. Even if I had shot a bunch of guns beforehand, I'm not sure it would've done me any good. Ultimately I just needed to get familiar with pulling a trigger, taking care of a weapon, loading the magazines, doing the takedown. So I recant. Get whatever the hell you want. It doesn't really matter, because if you hate it, somebody will probably give you what you paid for it and you can get something else, by which time you may know some people who can point you in the right direction.

Good luck!



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zachkuby87
September 15, 2011, 04:02 AM
Sw9ve I know I know a lot of people don't like em but I have 2 and I love em I'm actually selling my xdm to fund a different purchase rather than my sw9's

BRE346
September 18, 2011, 12:17 PM
I'm sorting out a Taurus 24/7 PRO C DS and a CZ 75 P-07.
The Taurus is picky about ammo. The CZ doesn't care.
The Taurus shoots pretty well. The CZ shoots better.
I'm a Taurus fan. The CZ is giving me pause.

Don Glock
September 18, 2011, 12:22 PM
friends don't let friends buy taurus. get a CZ or a Glock.

tahunua001
September 18, 2011, 12:45 PM
XDM vs CZ is a much closer comparison than XDM vs TAURUS.
if it's just a range toy then I'd buy the CZ based on price. both of these guns are more designed for service carry but each has different designs to meet specific needs. non of these design differences will ever matter if all you want to kill with one is a piece of paper. they are both about equally accurate, reliable and have good reputations. the CZ being a good 100-150 dollars cheaper than the XDM would make a better range toy. if I wanted it as a service pistol I would go the extra mile and get the XDM just based off personal preference for a point and shoot safety and familiarity with the platform. your best bet would be(to beat a dead horse) to go out and rent both of these and decide which fits your hands better and what is just more fun to shoot.

varoadking
September 18, 2011, 02:13 PM
Other than the somewhat "boutique" pieces...like the P7M8, S&W Model 39, or the Kahr PM9/P9 that is still in production...I haven't found a good reason to own any 9mm other than Glocks.

I'd sell my P30 Light LEM if I didn't know I'd take a beating on it...

jakeLC
September 18, 2011, 02:52 PM
imo, berettas are my choice for a 9mm they are very accurate and fit me very well, but that may not be true for you so just try whatever you think you may like and hell even try a taurus i wouldnt buy one but if it works for you go for it.

Justice06RR
September 21, 2011, 04:35 AM
If you were already looking at the XDm, go for the 3.8Compact in 9mm. Its a great gun, excellent platform and quality. Carries 19+1 rounds in the full mag if you want to carry more ammo.

I'd stay away from Taurus if you can. they're not bad, not the greatest either.

MissouriShooter
September 21, 2011, 04:59 AM
Loose Holster Dan wrote:

don't waste your money on a taurus. they are trash. my first two guns were taurus (pt917c and 24/7 pro c). as soon as i bought my first quality gun, i realized what i was missing and sold the taurus.

I've had four Taurus handguns, a PT111, a PT 145, a Judge Public Defender and a PT94 .22 revolver. All fired well and I have carried the PT MilPro 145 as a carry with full confidence. I've transferred the PT111 to my son and I wouldn't have done that without confidence in the mechanism. It replaced a KTPF-9. The Judge is a lot of fun to shoot and I keep it in the nightstand as HD and the 94 is a great trainer.

These are all handguns I can afford to keep in my inventory. Not Berettas, not Kimbers, not S&W's, not Ruger or Browning. Just solid mid-price weapons that do what they oughta and have never disappointed me in their performance.

BTW, I've also got a G26. Also mid-price.

chadio
September 22, 2011, 12:34 PM
SIG Sauer P210. Find one, pay up, be done with it :D

jmstr
September 22, 2011, 05:10 PM
What about checking out the Ruger P95? It is a service sized pistol, but I've heard great things about it and it is less than $400 brand new. I like my P97 [P95 in .45 cal?] and found it more accurate than a Sig P220. That was MY experience-no one else's I don't claim they are more accurate than a Sig. I only claim that [I]I shot it more accurately than my Sig P220 or Sig P225. Really weird that was.

10mm4ever
September 23, 2011, 03:00 AM
I've owned so many over the years, I've lost count. My absolute favorite, full size 9mm is without doubt, the Beretta 92FS. The CZ 75 and w.german SIG 226 are close behind. I refuse to recommend a plastic, striker fired zipgun with cheap stamped metal internals when I no longer own any myself. There's no shortage of excellent pistols in 9mm.

RC20
September 23, 2011, 11:56 AM
As zombieslayer keyed in on, I want a plastic gun. So is the consensus that the Taurus should be off the table? I'm shopping at Bud's, and I saw the CZ SP01 Phantom had some great reviews as well. The range is out of the question because the closest one with the broadest selection is 45 min away and I haven't that kind of time to devote to trials. That's why o thought the forum would be better to see what direction I should be looking.
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As stated by one party, the first thing you need to do is sort out what action type you like. At least go to gun stores (sporting goods etc) and handle them. You can dry fire them. That gets you both a feel for the gun and how you like the two action types.

The two choices are Hammer fired called a DA/SA which stands for double action/single action). It has an exposed hammer.

Striker fired has no hammer and in various iterations cocks a firing pin like a bolt action rifle does.

XD is striker, no hammer. Glock is striker. Bother are very well done and reliable. Me, I don't like striker. Not because its bad, it just does not work for me, I like hammer fired.

Browning HP is not a poly gun no matter how much the owners rave about it, so you can rule that one out if you really want a polymer gun (the more correct term, plastic implies cheap and easily broken, polymer means what it says, a tough material that last forever).

The least expensive and highest quality DA/SA that matches up to guns for twice the price in DA/SA is the Sig SP2022. Without night sights as low as $379 at Nelson Tactical. They are out of Night Sight version now, but list them at under $400 (I bought one of the last apparently).

If the Hammer Fired action works for you, the Sig SP2022 would be my first choice to check out. Mine has been 100% reliable eating 3 different factory loads and 5 or more hand loaded configurations of three different bullets and powder combinations . Vast majority of reports indicate the same thing with great accuracy.

Assuming you like Hammer fired aka DA/SA, you may not like how the Sig SP2022 feels and handles for you, but you will not find a poly gun that good until you get into the $700+ in FN and HK.

The HK P30 grip is to die for, virtually perfect feel. I also cost $800 or more. Sig SP2022 not as good but only because the P30 is so good. Its a very good grip by any standards other than the HK.

I did see an FN-9 for $625 the other day (new). Usualy far more. Also hard to get parts or servcie for (but like HK you may never need to)

ShootingNut
September 23, 2011, 03:53 PM
10mmForever
I will second that, no doubt the Beretta 92FS is one of the best, if not THE BEST 9mm on the market today. And, the 96FS (.40SW) is also one sweet gun to shoot.
You can tell I'm a Beretta fan, but have to say just love my XDM .45 just purchased, also a great shooter.
Regards,
SN

Buffalo86
September 24, 2011, 01:27 AM
Being a new shooter you will need to try a number of different guns to determine what you prefer. I was recently considering several 9mm's and shot a Sig 229, Ruger P95, Bersa Thunder and Taurus PT809. I bought the Taurus. I like how it feels in my hand and how it shoots. I've put 300+ rounds through it without any trouble and it's breaking in very nicely. Shoot as many as you can, buy what feels best for you and fits in your budget. Enjoy whichever make and model you ultimately decide on.

NVBigEd
September 24, 2011, 10:16 AM
Glock G19 for simplicity and versatility, SigPro 2022 for value for features. For $399 a SigPro offers DA/SA, excellent accuracy and is a sweet shooter.

jmstr
September 24, 2011, 11:07 AM
I like cz's also, but they don't fit my medium-small hands for the DA trigger pull. I have to shift my grip when switching between da and sa. Of course cocked and locked and it doesn't matter

rdmallory
September 24, 2011, 07:50 PM
http://www.remtek.com/arms/walther/model/p1/p1.gif

Think outside the Box...

Doug

viper7342
September 24, 2011, 11:13 PM
+1 on the Smith M&P and the Sig SP2022 I have both, however, the M&P is chambered in 40 caliber... I shoot both very well and I like the SP2022 better than my XD9 Service model... I also like my Browning HP Practical but that's an all steel pistol as someone pointed out.:D

SocialAnarchist
September 24, 2011, 11:50 PM
I will throw a different spin on this for the OP.

I only own one 9mm and it is a used P89 I bought for around $300. It came with 5-15 round magazines, a case and a magazine loader. This pistol has been completely trouble free, not a single FTF or FTE.

A used pistol from a reliable dealer can be a great way to start.

bitttorrrent
September 26, 2011, 10:11 AM
the Walther P-38 is a good piece of history, I have one but serial numbers do not match, so not worth much.
It is fun to shoot, but is a little hard (felt recoil) than I like.


My Beretta Px-4 is fantastic. Great recoil, smooth, feeds all different kinds of ammo and easy to take down and clean. Great gun.


I was thinking of my next as a EAA witness match or CZ. Same but EAA is a copy of the CZ design. The match has a few more options that I am having trouble locating on a CZ - spo1.


Additionally, I have found a sub 300.00 Ruger p95 that looks pretty good. Did have a question for

What about checking out the Ruger P95? It is a service sized pistol, but I've heard great things about it and it is less than $400 brand new. I like my P97 [P95 in .45 cal?] and found it more accurate [in MY hands] than a Sig P220. That was MY experience-no one else's I don't claim they are more accurate than a Sig. I only claim that I shot it more accurately than my Sig P220 or Sig P225

Are thes p95's polymer frame or metal? In the Ruger catalog it states polyer or aluminum????? If you have one than you should know. Very poor catalog description for a gun that has been made for the last 25 years.

jmstr
September 26, 2011, 10:30 AM
The EEA Witness is nice. I have a Baby Eagle in 9mm that is great. The Ruger P95 IS a polymer frame, just like the P97. The P89/90/91/93 h& 94 have aluminum frames. They only make the P90 (45), P95 (9mm), and P345 (45) now. The last two are polymer. I can buy the P95 new at my LGS today for $360 or less, depending on stainless or blued slide. Check out Rugerforums dot com for specific comments, but they are fanboys, like any other brand specific forums.

Two points of interest: the trigger is a long pull (think revolver in DA), with a longer reset than some of the others I have in SA mode, and the recoil camblock system makes for a light recoil but an odd recoil 'pulse'. My P97 has a DA trigger pull aroun 11lbs, anx a SA trigger pull aroun 4.5lbs, with 2-3000 rounds through it with stock hammer spring. A 19lb wolf hammer spring gives me a SA pull around 3 lbs 12 ozs.
Again, I am more accurate with it than I was with my Sigs. I sold my sig P220 and my H&K USP compact .45 because I was more accurate with my Ruger, my M&P or my 1911s. And the Ruger gave ME the best groups, with the two I sold giving me the worst. Again, that was ME.

For $300 I would get the Ruger if I wanted a good, reliable, basic 9mm, and then buy a lot of ammo. BUT I already have a few 9mms.

overkill0084
September 26, 2011, 10:48 AM
I was thinking of my next as a EAA witness match or CZ. Same but EAA is a copy of the CZ design. The match has a few more options that I am having trouble locating on a CZ - spo1.

I have a Witness Match in .45. A heck of a lot of gun for the money. I'm considering another one in YTBD caliber.

ripnbst
September 26, 2011, 12:20 PM
Don't buy the Taurus. I have seen one with issues and heard of many more. Just hearing about it is enough to keep me away and as a new shooter I would rather you have a positive experience than a bad one. Browning 9mm is nice yes, but any offering from Springfield, Glock, S&W, Kahr, beretta would do you well.

For target shooting only I think a Berretta 92FS would be a great choice as they tend to be pretty accurate guns. Reliability is an issue for some but used on a range only and being able to clean often you should be fine. Glocks and Springfields are cool too but everyone's got them, I like to be a little different.

jmstr
September 26, 2011, 02:56 PM
One question I have: when you say 'target', what do you mean?

Are you wanting a 'range' gun that will be used exclusively at the range for fun/accuracy? Or are you attempting to obtain the most precisely accurate handgun you can get, at any cost?

Other than my EDC and House Defense handguns, all the rest are what I consider 'range' guns: fun, reliable and more accurate than I am. However, only one is what I would think of as a 'target' gun, as it will be the most precise I can make/afford: a Caspian 1911 custom pistol.

If you are using 'target' to differentiate between range and home defense or carry, then all the above are good suggestions. If you want the absolute bee's knees in target-grade accuracy, you will probably move yourself above the $750 line to the the $1000.

Again, ANY handgun is more accurate than I am capable of without shooting 3-4000 rounds a month. And I am lucky to get that per year in any of my handguns.

loose_holster_dan
September 26, 2011, 03:37 PM
check out the link in my signature. you know you want to.

loose_holster_dan
September 26, 2011, 03:38 PM
the taurus is junk. i owned 2 before i knew what i was missing. i own an xdm. very nice.

MikeNice81
September 26, 2011, 07:01 PM
was thinking of my next as a EAA witness match or CZ. Same but EAA is a copy of the CZ design. The match has a few more options that I am having trouble locating on a CZ - spo1.


That is because the CZ SP-01 is the fullsize variation of the P-01. It is not meant for competition or to replicate a "custom shop" gun. It is meant to be a tough as nails fighting gun for police and military use.

It is a da/sa to allow for safe carry and quick follow up shots. It employs a decocker to eliminate the extra step of reaching for a safety. The SP-01 also has a full dust cover that helps add strength and extend frame life. The SP-01 is designed to handle a bare minimum of 15,000 rounds of +p ammo in some of the most horrifying conditions imaginable while being easy to operate with a minimum of thought.

The Witness Elite Match and CZ SP-01 are apples and oranges.

G&G
September 27, 2011, 12:07 AM
My 9mm is a CZ 75 BD. Very comfortable to hold. Very accurate.
Very affordable.

The CZ P01 would be another good choice.
From their web site:
After 3 years of the most aggressive small arms testing ever by any manufacturer for any pistol, the CZ P-01 won the honor of replacing the CZ 75's previously used by the Czech National Police.

Reliability: The U.S. Army "Mean Rounds Between Failure" (MRBF) requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols. During testing of the CZ P-01, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired. This is a .05% failure rate or an MRBF of 2142!

AustinTX
September 27, 2011, 12:20 AM
For target shooting only I think a Berretta 92FS would be a great choice as they tend to be pretty accurate guns. Reliability is an issue for some but used on a range only and being able to clean often you should be fine.

I agree that the 92FS merits a strong look, but I'm puzzled by your statement about its reliability. It's unsurpassed in that area.

Reliability: The U.S. Army "Mean Rounds Between Failure" (MRBF) requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols. During testing of the CZ P-01, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired. This is a .05% failure rate or an MRBF of 2142!

Or he could go with the 92FS, which the latest DOD testing showed to have a MRBF of 21,500 -- or a hair more than 10 times better than the CZ. :)

svt40
September 28, 2011, 05:24 AM
For range or combat the G17,CZ75,Sig226,Hi=power. But for CCW and carry the slim trim easy to IWB the sig239-9mm. The double stacks are thick as a brick. I did try the G26-G19,but the thickness dug at me and they printed the brick.

dgludwig
September 30, 2011, 06:58 PM
If you want a reliable, well-made, affordable 9mm semi-auto, give a long look to a used Smith & Wesson Model 5906. But only if you, like me, prefer a da/sa pistol for self-defense. With some looking, you should be able to find a nice one in the neighborhood of three to four hundred dollars.

Crankgrinder
September 30, 2011, 10:28 PM
ill throw mine in. my first pistol purchase was a 9mm for me it was a tossup between the xdm and a beretta px4 so i bought the px4 because when i picked it up it seemed to be made for my hand and you can set it up any way you like with removeable back straps for larger/smaller grips not to mention to me it was a great looking pistol as well. berettas are made in italy and is the oldest gun maker with 500 years doing it as far as the springfield xds theyre made in croatia marketed under the springfield name to americans that was another point to me but they do come with alot of stuff when you buy one and ive heard great things about them as well.Then you ve always got glocks, CZs are probably the best for the money, sigs (not sig 1911),walthers(watch out they do the name-marketing thing too on some of their guns),of course also smiths(no sigma)and IMI baby eagles are great too(now owned by kahr arms) all still in the 500 or so range. I also bought a taurus pt111 pro and its a great pistol to shoot as long as you use round nose bullets it does not feed federal hydra shocks they slam into the feed ramp with their flat nose so ill say for your purposes no taurus either.

batmann
September 30, 2011, 10:40 PM
I'll take ny Glock 22 (,40 S&W) over anything out there. Light, reliable, EASY take down and lots of after market stuff. You can by mags for $20-$25 ( I have 8).
i just got back from shooting over 200 rounds through my Glock and I cleaned it in 25 minutes and was taking my time.
I also have a Taurus D/S Pro also in .40 that has been reliable as well. Don't let the anti-Taurus comments get to you. They are a lot of gun for the money.