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johnbt
September 10, 2011, 01:11 PM
I have wanted a Swiss Army Pistol for a long time. It's a Pistole 49 with sn 189xxx, so it's from near the end of the run in the mid-70s. The end was 213,110 iirc. The stocks should be plastic, but it came with these so I'm happy. They appear to be mid-80s commercial production for the P210 I'm told.

Shoots better than it looks too, but that's no surprise.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj80/JohnBT3/DSCN0232.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj80/JohnBT3/DSCN0233.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj80/JohnBT3/DSCN0228.jpg?t=1315677528

CWKahrFan
September 10, 2011, 01:28 PM
Nice!

BuzWeaver
September 10, 2011, 05:09 PM
Very cool, its nearly a piece of art.

tekarra
September 10, 2011, 06:00 PM
Very nice indeed. I dream of having one.

1911Colt
September 10, 2011, 06:31 PM
Looks to be in very good condition. I have the Swiss Army watch that goes with it ... :D

Morgo
September 10, 2011, 07:07 PM
Congrats!
I picked up one similar only a few months ago, it was something I had been wanting for a long time as well.

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/brycemorgan452/P1040509.jpg

johnbt
September 10, 2011, 07:21 PM
Good looking pistol. And thanks to everyone. I hadn't been shopping for a P210, but just ran across what seemed to be a great opportunity to get a pretty nice condition shooter grade Swiss military pistol. That's all I was expecting, a nice clean gun with fixed sights and a little holster wear. I bought it without seeing a pic of it.

It was cleaned & lubed when I picked it up, but the controls were stiff; stiff like a new gun that hadn't been cycled much. It shoots like a dream.

We won't talk about the PW Arms import mark on the slide (which I did see a pic of on another similar gun.) PWA should not be allowed near tools.

John

mjackson1
September 10, 2011, 07:56 PM
Congrats John, hope you work that girl over! I really dig the dual finish look of your pistols, gents. And it's true, there is no redemption for clumsy importer marks. FOR SHAME!!

mega twin
September 10, 2011, 09:40 PM
Nice pistol!!!
what is a reasonable price range for one of those?

AustinTX
September 10, 2011, 11:38 PM
Beautiful! Congrats! I struggle to find the words to describe what amazing pistols the P210s are.

I need to snap some photos tomorrow of the P210-6 Heavy Frame that I picked up last week. :D

johnbt
September 11, 2011, 07:29 AM
"what is a reasonable price range for one of those?"

$2499.95

johnbt
September 12, 2011, 06:36 AM
I love the way this pistol handles and shoots. I bought a used mag on line yesterday. Only $150 plus postage. And I ordered some GECO/RUAG plinking ammo which comes highly recommended for these guns.

Now I'm ready to retire. :cool:

pilpens
September 12, 2011, 06:43 AM
It is a nice pistol. I am curious at how well a 1911 9mm compares to this.
Would you say that this pistol handles/feels better than a 1911? or maybe a S&W 952?

kadima
September 12, 2011, 07:24 AM
It would be like comparing apples with oranges. The 1911 and the SIG are two worlds apart.

Like asking if it's better a Jeep or a Corvette....


IMHO

K.

WVsig
September 12, 2011, 07:37 AM
Top Gun Supply?

It would be like comparing apples with oranges. The 1911 and the SIG are two worlds apart.

Like asking if it's better a Jeep or a Corvette....

A lot depends on what 1911. Vs a production 1911 I would agree but against something from Heirloom Precision or another full house custom maker? IMHO at that level the differences are much smaller.

Grapevinebill
September 12, 2011, 08:10 AM
That my friend is a sweet gun! Congratulations and shoot it safe...

johnbt
September 12, 2011, 08:48 AM
Thank you. I waited a long time for one of these.

"Would you say that this pistol handles/feels better than a 1911?"

They're different, but both point naturally for me. It is a well built machine from top to bottom. I also like the small sights. Fwiw, my favorite plinking 1911 is a blue Colt WWI Repro and it has small sights. Talking about comparing, there's a lot to be said for specifying the brand and model of 1911 you're comparing it to.

The P210 factory standard for accuracy was a group less than 5 cm (1.97") at 50 meters (54.67 yards.) From what I've read, the guns will hold that standard indefinitely. I have no idea what kind of steel they used on P210s, but it must have been a bear to machine. Some of the fancier target models shot groups half the factory standard at 50 meters.

I've learned a lot about P210s in the past week and a half.

WVsig - Yes, straight off the pallet. Even a blind pig (me) finds an acorn sometimes, etc.

Pilot
September 12, 2011, 10:20 AM
Nice!

FALshootist
September 12, 2011, 03:10 PM
Great gun with a great reputation for accuracy. I have my doubts about it being $2,499.95 great though. Especially for a mass produced factory gun. But we all have our own taste and values. Hope you enjoy your new gun and hope it shoots as good as it looks.

I initially missed the post that a used mag is $150. Can't say anything about that. You know what our mothers tought us about not saying anything good.

johnbt
September 12, 2011, 04:41 PM
"Especially for a mass produced factory gun."

All factories are not created equal. Neither are all designers. Or all guns.

I'm thinking about buying another one, but I don't want to be a hog. He initially had them listed as one to a customer. Sometime near the end of last week he said there were 12 left. But that was last week.

How many Swiss Army Pistols fit on "a small pallet"?



"You know what our mothers tought us about not saying anything good."

Your mother knew about the P210? ;)

John

AustinTX
September 12, 2011, 05:33 PM
I have my doubts about it being $2,499.95 great though. Especially for a mass produced factory gun.

I once thought something along those lines.

handgunfan101
September 12, 2011, 05:46 PM
That is a classic swiss nice score

johnbt
September 12, 2011, 06:29 PM
Thank you, thank you very much. I can't really give anybody a hard time about the money because it is a lot of money. But not out of line for what you get.

Speaking of prices, okay, now, let me get another beer. Let's look at the Gun Trader's Guide from 1990.

Colt Python - blue is $385, stainless is $545.
Colt MkIV Series 70 Government Model - $365.

BHP - $380 with fixed sights.

S&W Model 745 .45 ACP - $525
S&W Model 469 9mm - $245
S&W Model 66 .357 Combat Magnum Stainless - $265
S&W Model 686 - $270

The SIG surprised me. The P210-2 is the similar commerical model: fixed sights, sandblasted finish and plastic stocks.

Sig P210-2 - $1195

The P210-1, the same gun polished and blued - $1350


I knew there was a difference, but I didn't realize the magnitude. In any case, $2499 gets you a pretty nice shooter grade gun.

Major Beef
September 12, 2011, 10:33 PM
The swiss army is so cool, they get to use $2500 pistols, while our military uses the $500 M9...

johnbt
September 13, 2011, 08:00 AM
They started using the Sig 220 in 1975, but your point is still a good one.

A lot of the Pistole 49/P210 guns are in good shape because the Swiss army issued the gun to an individual who took it home and kept it. They used it during their two weeks a year of military service and often competed with them, so they took care of them. Or maybe the Swiss just take care of all fine things.

And after their military service they were allowed to keep the pistol.

johnbt
September 14, 2011, 01:04 PM
There are still some left. Well, at least one. Sometime near the end of last week Tom said there were 12 left.

www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p210-swiss-army.html

And here's the now-20-page thread that started it on 8/30. The first sample pics show up on page 4. A few buyers have posted pics after receiving their gun; one just today.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/3320058262

I love helping people spend their money. You're welcome, you can thank me later for being a bad influence.

John

TunnelRat
September 14, 2011, 01:16 PM
The swiss army is so cool, they get to use $2500 pistols, while our military uses the $500 M9...

It helps when you don't have to spend money on things like bombs and bullets because you don't actually fight any wars. Hell if we took all the money we've spent in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 10 years we could probably buy every soldier a Dwight Eisenhower edition 1911 :D.

johnbt
September 14, 2011, 01:42 PM
Could, but you know in your heart they wouldn't.

Jeff OTMG
September 16, 2011, 12:30 AM
That seems incredibly expensive to me. I put together a buy for 5 of them for some friends at closer to $900 a piece. Now they were not nearly as nice as what I see in the photos, but I didn't pay that much for my brand new P210-5 with the extended barrel. Mine was giving me a severe case of hammer bite on the web of my hand so it went off to Cylinder and Slide to have a beavertail welded up on it. I also didn't like the razor blade front site and tiny notch rear so had them fit a set of Novaks to it. It may look rough but it is a great shooting pistol now.

johnbt
September 16, 2011, 07:43 AM
Less than $900? You stole them (see my earlier post on 1990 prices; over a grand.) What can I say, that's not the market I see now even if you import them yourself using ATF Form 6 and pay an importer $300 or $400 to handle it. Beats me, none of the models are that cheap at Simpson's or RoCo. Looking at the -5 model,

www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?cPath=389 P210-5: 90% blue = $2795; 70% blue = $2200 "bore should scrub out to better condition"

www.rocosystem.com/sig-p210/index-2.php has 2 P210-5, both $3575

John

johnbt
September 16, 2011, 07:46 AM
You put together another buy like that and I'll take all you can get. :) Even better if they come with 2 mags; used magazines run $125 to $175.

Here's a 1982 P210-6 with one mag that was 'recoated by a former owner; don't know with what' and it sold for $2000 this summer.

www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=240828861

Alexander
September 16, 2011, 08:53 AM
That seems incredibly expensive to me. I put together a buy for 5 of them for some friends at closer to $900 a piece.

When was that? From what seller? :eek:

KyJim
September 16, 2011, 09:37 AM
Great looking pistols, fellas. If I had the money to spare, I would buy one but my gun budget has been pegging the meter lately. :)

Willie Lowman
September 16, 2011, 10:44 AM
Where's the cork screw and tweezers?

johnbt
September 16, 2011, 11:48 AM
HA!

However, as it turns out, the Soldier knife doesn't have those two items.

www.swissarmy.com/Marketing/Pages/soldierknife.aspx

johnbt
September 16, 2011, 08:03 PM
I think it was back in the last century on the old shooters board when I had such a hard time with two of the members' names:

Jeff OTMG = of the many guns

Don OTMW = of the many words


That was the same forum where I first encountered the guy with the tactical wheelbarrow.

Jeff OTMG
September 17, 2011, 07:03 PM
Hello johnbt, another old timer, yes the Shooters board was around 1997-1998. That was the first SHOW Show report blog from Atlanta posted there. Don is no longer with us, but did fly in to attend a Houston Astrohall gun show before his passing. Being from California he had never seen anything like it. A correction, Don was 'Of too Many Words' and I am 'Owner of Too Many Guns' thanks to a cop out of Victoria, TX.

I was trying to think of when I did the buy on the SIG's and I believe it was in 2000 or 2001. C&S got it around 2003 for the mods. It isn't very pretty. I would post a photo if I knew how.

johnbt
September 18, 2011, 06:45 PM
Ha, I still can't get the names right. I remember seeing that Don had died. He was great, he was one of those people I wish I'd taken time to meet. There are a lot of good folks on line.

To post a photo, go to www.photobucket.com and make an account. Upload the pic from your computer to the account by clicking the Upload button which then let's you search through your hard drive to pick one to upload.

After the upload, you use the www.address of the photobucket pic to post on line. When you get the photobucket address you click on the Insert Image button in the reply box here. The one I'm looking at is 3rd from the end of the second row - looks like a postcard with a mountain on it.

John

johnbt
September 18, 2011, 06:58 PM
I just checked the ongoing thread on sigforum...

- "I bought one of the remaining 9 on Friday night."

- "Entered an order around 9:57 Sat. morning, so there are probably now less than seven "


Somebody PLEASE buy the rest of them so I don't buy another one. :o

AustinTX
September 18, 2011, 11:38 PM
The more I think about the TGS guns, the more I want to get one. A later-model P49 would make such a great no-regrets shooter.

This is an illness. :o

johnbt
September 19, 2011, 08:26 AM
You know you want one. Have you looked at the pics on pages 18 and 20 recently?

Here's page 20 with the latest ones:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/3320058262/p/20

AustinTX
September 19, 2011, 09:10 AM
How nice of you to try to help a fellow addict kick his habit.

Enabler.

:p

johnbt
September 20, 2011, 06:44 AM
I love helping people spend money on quality merchandise. It's cheap entertainment; for me anyway.

John

AustinTX
September 20, 2011, 10:05 AM
Thanks for the help, johnbt. :) Between your photos and the giant thread at Sig Forum, I stood no chance. My illness has triumphed yet again. :D

As of five minutes ago, there are now just two Pistole 49s available at Top Gun Supply. Please, please, please arrive by the weekend!

johnbt
September 20, 2011, 11:40 AM
:D

Just think about all that energy you wasted resisting. I do believe you will enjoy it. The P210 shooter I bought a mag from highly recommends the GECO ammo at J&G. He shoots a P210 in the U.S. and in Switzerland fwiw.

When the last two TGS guns sell my checking account will be safe. For awhile.

Time to go back to work, my client is here.

John

P.S. - And post pics when you get it.

AustinTX
September 20, 2011, 07:26 PM
Oh, there's absolutely no doubt I'll enjoy it. While I didn't deflower my unfired 210-6 HF, I have put a few dozen rounds through P210s before, and I find shooting a P210 to be pure bliss.

I'm as excited about this gun as I was about picking up my first P210. In some ways I'm more excited, actually, because I feel no inner conflict over my desire to shoot the living hell out of it. :D

Pics will definitely be forthcoming. I'm really hoping it gets here before my FFL leaves town for a gun show on Friday afternoon.

johnbt
September 21, 2011, 07:21 AM
You know where the gun show is, right?

:p

AustinTX
September 21, 2011, 08:02 AM
LOL

USPS tracker now says it should get here tomorrow. :D

johnbt
September 21, 2011, 10:18 AM
It's official, as of TGS' post at 10:08 today there's

"ONE LEFT!"

I wonder, did Tom take a pic of the pallet before he unwrapped the first gun?

johnbt
September 23, 2011, 05:28 PM
First he posted there was one lonely gun left from the small pallet he bought. Then, just maybe another one would be available. Now I see he's changed the thread title on sigforum.

"Swiss Army P210's - All sold out"

That was fun, but it wasn't me, I didn't buy a second one.

AustinTX
September 23, 2011, 08:43 PM
Got my new Swiss Army Pistole 49 yesterday afternoon -- just a little more than 48 hours after I ordered it. http://sigforum.com/movedimages/emoticons/dancing_banana.gif Big thumbs up to Tom and Top Gun Supply.

I'm completely blown away by the condition of this gun. You really have to look close to see any finish wear/blemishes in these photos (aside from PW Arms' giant import stamp). There's just the tiniest bit of edge wear at the end of the dustcover, and there's a faint mark from the takedown lever that doesn't fully penetrate the bluing. With serial number A129XXX, it must be pushing 55 years of age. The best part is that it looks even better internally.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/austintxlonghorn/SIG%20P49/DSCN9335-2.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/austintxlonghorn/SIG%20P49/DSCN9338-1.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/austintxlonghorn/SIG%20P49/DSCN9345-1.jpg

AustinTX
September 23, 2011, 08:44 PM
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/austintxlonghorn/SIG%20P49/DSCN9372-1.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/austintxlonghorn/SIG%20P49/DSCN9380-1.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/austintxlonghorn/SIG%20P49/DSCN9387-1.jpg

AustinTX
September 23, 2011, 09:09 PM
That was fun, but it wasn't me, I didn't buy a second one.

It wasn't me either. I'm glad someone bought it, because I might have started having some crazy ideas after the first one arrived.