View Full Version : Need Pistol ID

February 19, 2011, 02:33 AM
This is all the info I have.

Black powder only - Made in Italy (on the left side of the
barrel); Cal. 44 (on left side); a stamp above the trigger towards
the front which is a circle that contains a symbol/brand of some
kind; on the right side of the gun, behind the barrel, on the
opposite side where it states 44 Cal are two stamps, one that
looks something like a shield and the other is "PN;" above the
trigger on the right side is the shield again, an AB within a
rectangle, and PN. two matching serial numbers in front of the
trigger and on the front end/barrel part (90761 matched to 761);
the trigger/guard/part looks to be brass; the handles are matched
wood (good fit).

Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. Grisald and Gunnison (Reb). 44 Cal

Ben Towe
February 19, 2011, 02:43 AM
Any chance for a picture?

February 19, 2011, 03:09 AM
Any chance for a picture?

I asked the seller for pics
Hoping to get them by tomorrow

Ben Towe
February 19, 2011, 03:15 AM
I see that you wrote it is a Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. What other info are you looking for?

February 19, 2011, 03:32 AM
I see that you wrote it is a Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. What other info are you looking for?

What or who is Grisald and Gunnison, is that the maker ?

Ben Towe
February 19, 2011, 04:12 AM
Griswold and Gunnison were Confederate arms makers. They built copies of Colt's 1851 Navy. The originals were .36 caliber. What you have is a replica in .44 caliber. My guess is it was built by Pietta or Uberti and imported by Navy Arms.
That's my best guess without a picture.

February 19, 2011, 04:20 AM
Griswold and Gunnison was the maker of a .36 caliber revolver made for the Confederate army during the civil war. Basically it was a brass framed 1851 colt navy.

Some good info on the original


Yours is a reproduction, made in Italy obviously.

The circle brand/symbol thing..does it look a bit like this?

That would be Uberti (the maker)

Most of the other marks you describe are proof marks stating that the gun was tested

The AB in the rectangle dates your gun to 1976

Here is a good page with info on the various proof marks (PDF warning)


February 19, 2011, 05:42 AM
Uberti doesn't make a brass frame anything. They did a few in the early days but haven't for many years.

February 19, 2011, 09:41 PM
A circle with overlapping letters "DGG" would be an Armi San Poalo/Euroarms.

February 19, 2011, 10:46 PM
A Couple of Pics

February 20, 2011, 06:36 AM
All those pictures show are the standard Italian proof mark (for any firearm), the black pwder proof mark (PN), and the date stamp (AB=1976).

Ben Towe
February 20, 2011, 06:44 AM
Taking a peek under the loading lever might reveal a manufacturer.
junkman: where can one find a list of the date stamps?

February 20, 2011, 06:47 AM
Date stamps...


Ben Towe
February 20, 2011, 06:52 AM
Many thanks...

February 20, 2011, 07:38 AM
It's most likely Pietta but could be ASP or ASM.

February 20, 2011, 01:12 PM
So it is a 1976
Also it has another stamp that looks to be the Palmetto Palm Tree.
So with that, is it worth anything ?
Worth fixing, reblueing ?

February 20, 2011, 01:18 PM
That would make it a Palmetto. Not the best quality.

February 20, 2011, 04:13 PM
What I'm impressed by is the generous cutout under the rammer to make room for ramming in the lead. That gun might just take the 200gr conicals but that could risk stretching the frame if using more than about 20grs powder..

February 20, 2011, 04:29 PM
No way I would use 20 grains with a conical in a brass frame.