View Full Version : What shotgun is he holding in photo?

January 13, 2011, 05:19 PM
In this rather famous photo of the the Blank Panther Huey P. Newton, he is holding a shotgun-maybe a Mossberg 500? Persuader? The link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party
The photo is about halfway down the page. We want to include one in a museum exhibit and I need some help identifying it. Thanks!

January 13, 2011, 05:38 PM
Looks more like a Remington 870. Note the oval ejection port.

January 13, 2011, 06:11 PM
What type of exhibit is it?

January 13, 2011, 06:41 PM
I agree with scorch it looks like an 870.

January 13, 2011, 06:44 PM
Anyone's guess is as good as another because of the general lack of detail. We can rule out any of the bottom electors because there's a side port visible. Scorch sees a lot more in the port than I do. I think I can see something going on in the front portion of the trigger guard, so that rules out a Mossberg. IINM, with the 870, the barrel clamp is a few inches back from the muzzle and we'd see the mag extension coupling. By the shape of the corn cob, trigger guard, barrel clamp, and date, I'm gonna hazard a wild guess that we're seeing a Winchester 1200 Defender or a High Standard FlightKing, Riot. If a "V" profile (or lack of) at the back of the receiver could be seen, we know a little more.

Scattergun Bob
January 13, 2011, 07:08 PM
My 2 cents is that this is a early High Standard 12 gauge Riot gun. Notice the mag tube is full length and seems to be attached to a barrel mount at the muzzle. Google High Standard riot guns and take a look.

Good Luck & Be Safe

January 13, 2011, 07:42 PM
Bob, my friend, if we could see just a little more detail of the muzzle we'd know if it a HS, or not. For now, it's the blind leading the blind. :D

January 13, 2011, 08:13 PM
I agree with Bob

(recently watched The Getaway with Steve McQueen who used one.)

January 13, 2011, 08:15 PM
For antother photo see http://www.nndb.com/people/175/000026097/ and this may be the same as the one on wikipedia http://media.photobucket.com/image/huey%20newton/OGCWILL/sealeandnewton.jpg?o=75

January 13, 2011, 10:01 PM
Thanks TheKlawMan, in the pic you found we can count the grooves/rings in the fore-wood. The gun in question has 14, IINM, High Standards had 14 and the 1200 had 12.

January 13, 2011, 10:16 PM
Welcome. I thought the rings may be a clue.

January 14, 2011, 08:52 PM
I liked the part in Forrest Gump where Forrest says “I'm sorry I had to fight in the middle of your Black Panther party.” That was funny.

January 17, 2011, 09:28 AM
Thank you all very much! Our museum exhibit is called "1968" A lot of stuff happened in 1968 including the forming of the Black Panthers. Is the High Standard Riot gun pretty rare?

Scattergun Bob
January 17, 2011, 11:46 AM
Is the High Standard Riot gun pretty rare?

No, IMO this is a comon bargin basment fighting scattergun. That said, it filled the bill for civilian, prison and police needs. I do not remember this model being in military service.

Good Luck & Be Safe