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roy reali
May 3, 2010, 07:58 PM
A fellow worker showed up with a target he shot over the weekend at the range. He used his new rifle. It was one of those Savage "package" deals, you know the rifle and scope combos. His is chambered in .223 Remington.

I couldn't believe the groupings. Five shot groups at or under an inch. I trust that he fired them at one hundred yards. He also used intial reloads just to test the gun, he has yet to work up better loads.

Is this typical accuracy for Savage rifles?

TXGunNut
May 3, 2010, 08:05 PM
I keep hearing the stories and have even seen a few targets. Personally, I don't believe them. :rolleyes: I think I'll be forced to buy one to see for myself. That M10 Precision carbine in .223 with the Accustock has found its way to the top of my "want list".

Moloch
May 3, 2010, 08:06 PM
Is this typical accuracy for Savage rifles?
Yes it is, 1'' isn't even super-impressive for a Savage, they usually group around .75 (at least the Savage in .308 do)

.300 Weatherby Mag
May 3, 2010, 08:25 PM
Is this typical accuracy for Savage rifles?

Between my dad and I... We do not own a savage that does not shoot an inch or less at 100 yards....

Here are a couple of examples.... Top is the first three shot group I fired with my savage 17HMR... The second is a representative group of what my .22 savage will produce... My 22-250 savage is very accurate, but I don't have any pics of the groups...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1/Husky507/Shootin3.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1/Husky507/shootin1-16-091.jpg

mt_dren
May 3, 2010, 08:33 PM
I would agree. I have a 10fp in 223 and 12FV in 22-250 those both do an inch or less at 100. Both seem to like 55gr bullets in just about everything.

mt_dren

Bigjfb
May 3, 2010, 09:33 PM
Savage: ugly and clunky but as accurate as you can get for under $1k


I have one in .243, .338, 22-250

all sub moa, the 22-250 is 1/2 moa after a little Final Finish and great stock with pretty good optics. Gun was also strapped into a device.

bald1
May 3, 2010, 09:38 PM
My 10FP.308 in stock form was well under MOA. These days it regularly shoots 0.35 MOA with 168 and 175 grain moly coated handloads. It is a '98 vintage equipped with SharpShooterSupply (Moreo) competition trigger and Moreo's kelvar-fiberglass wide beavertail thumbhole stock. Shown here with a Gibbs M8500 bipod. Leupold Mil-Dot scope over an Armament Technology 15MOA shim.



http://rap.midco.net/bald1/FP10_M8500a.JPG

Scorch
May 3, 2010, 10:13 PM
Is this typical accuracy for Savage rifles?
As bad as they look, Savage rifles have always had a well-deserved reputation for accuracy.

Ifishsum
May 3, 2010, 11:13 PM
Pretty much every newer Savage bolt rifle I've handled will shoot MOA or better - can't say enough good things about them. That's at least a dozen between mine and friends rifles...and I don't even think they look bad. Can't really figure out why they have a reputation for being ugly :confused:

Unfortunately they sort of spoil you because you start thinking that anything less accurate is a POS. I recently built an AR15 and it's probably more accurate than a lot of them, but I still have a hard time being satisfied with how it shoots.

Irish80prf
May 3, 2010, 11:33 PM
Yep it's true I have 3 now and all of them are shooters. Here is a link to a thread I started with a picture of my .46" five shot group. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407202&highlight=this+is+why+shoot+savage

FrankenMauser
May 3, 2010, 11:52 PM
Is this typical accuracy for Savage rifles?

They're elaborately concocted lies, formulated by the buyers of Savage and Stevens rifles - in an attempt to help them feel better about not being able to afford a Kimber, Cooper, Nosler, or Whitworth custom rifle.












;)

.300 Weatherby Mag
May 3, 2010, 11:59 PM
They're elaborately concocted lies, formulated by the buyers of Savage and Stevens rifles - in an attempt to help them feel better about not being able to afford a Kimber, Cooper, Nosler, or Whitworth custom rifle.


I sure wouldn't put kimber in the same category as the other three...

FrankenMauser
May 4, 2010, 12:05 AM
I sure wouldn't put kimber in the same category as the other three...

I was trying to go for a progressive increase in quality.
I guess it's a bit circumstantial, and up to personal preference, though.

.300 Weatherby Mag
May 4, 2010, 12:08 AM
For someone with mauser in their screen name... I am deeply disappointed that Empire Mauser is not on your list...

roy reali
May 4, 2010, 07:01 AM
I was on the Savage website. I see they have their Model 14 Classic available in .250 Savage chambering. I am very intriqued by this rifle.

Does anyone here have one of these rifles in .250 Savage?

TRguy
May 4, 2010, 07:10 AM
Yeah I know what you mean FrankenMauser, Kimber, Cooper, Nosler, and Whitworth have won the World Long Distance Championship so many times....Wait...What? OHHHHHH it was Savage that has won the World Championship five years in a row with an off the shelf production rifle.

Please feel free to comeback when any of those 4 you mention have matched or exceeded that accomplishment.

I vote that the MOA should be changed to MOS, Minute of Savage.

taylorce1
May 4, 2010, 07:15 AM
No, but I will and it isn't going to be on a Savage either. The modle 14's are pretty nice but I'm going a different route on my .250-3000 Savage. I was going to build one on a 93 Mauser I had laying around but got talking with my smith and he changed my mind.

So the the rifle I'll build will be on a Mini Mauser action, I'm building this rifle for my daughter who is seven. I need somehting that will fit her and not beat her to death to shoot. Decided on the .250 as it was a nice compact round that would fit in that action with enough power for pronghorn and mule deer.

However I may take one of my Stevens rifles and convert it to a .250 before that rifle gets finished so I can play with that cartridge. My Mauser is going to be converted to a .300 Savage now so I get to play with both of Savage's old offerings.

cbrabham
May 4, 2010, 07:29 AM
My custom shop Savage in .243 is a bughole shooter, shooting Federal premium 100 grn loads. - I haven't had the gun long enough to try out any handloads, but have ordered 100 Nosler 90 grn ballistic tip bullets to play around with.

I specified a stainless steel barreled action, hinged floorplate, laminated thumbhole stock and 24" sporter barrel.

The 24" barrel gives me a bit more velocity and a bit less noise. I'm a big-bore fan, so to me the recoil is virtually nonexistent on this gun. - It feels like a .223.

Is it ugly? - Maybe I'm just used to looking at it and think it's OK, when really it's a bow-wow.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/arwatch/Firearms/th_IMG_1311.jpg (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/arwatch/Firearms/IMG_1311.jpg)

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/arwatch/Firearms/th_IMG_1313.jpg (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/arwatch/Firearms/IMG_1313.jpg)

{ Click an mage to see it full-size }

TRguy
May 4, 2010, 08:58 AM
Some pics from a Savage Factory tour

http://public.fotki.com/Rbertalotto/bang!/savage-factory-tour/

truckpuller
May 4, 2010, 09:52 AM
cbrabham, i think your rifle is beautiful, i would shoot that thing any day....

Blue Grass
May 4, 2010, 11:27 AM
Yep. I've never owned a Savage that wouldn't shoot. I saw a guy at the range a couple of years ago who had a Savage (Can't remember the model #) rifle in .17 HMR. He was shooting the heads off those little green plastic soldiers at 100 yrds. That's like shooting at thumb tacks.:eek:

FrankenMauser
May 4, 2010, 02:14 PM
Yeah I know what you mean FrankenMauser, Kimber, Cooper, Nosler, and Whitworth have won the World Long Distance Championship so many times....Wait...What? OHHHHHH it was Savage that has won the World Championship five years in a row with an off the shelf production rifle.

Please feel free to comeback when any of those 4 you mention have matched or exceeded that accomplishment.

I vote that the MOA should be changed to MOS, Minute of Savage.

Sense the sarcasm. :rolleyes:

The most expensive rifle I own is a tang-safety Ruger M77, with a Leupold 6-24x50mm scope. Next up would be a Ruger M77 MkII.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, you'll find things like an old Marlin 882, M38 Mosin, an old Rossi 62SAC, and the Franken Mauser.

My current project rifles are a Marlin XL7, and an 1895 Springfield Krag (turned into a carbine) that was picked up at a fraction of its actual value. (The store thought it was a victim of backyard gunsmithing. We discovered it was actually a re-arsenal carbine.)

And, for the record - I don't give a rat's ass who wins the World Long Distance Championships. My firearms are not paper punchers. Every one of them is set up for big game, small game, upland game, and predators. My shooting is done between 10 yards and 600 yards. When competitions start requiring licenses and tags, expanding bullets, and use live game... I might pay attention.


Remember TRguy - not everything is about performance. Sometimes, it's about looks and personal preference. I can't get past the butt-ugly barrel nut, bolt, and bolt shroud on Savages (not to mention, the unusual placement of the bolt handle - it's not natural).

Some people marry blondes and red-heads. I married a brunette.

Bigjfb
May 4, 2010, 02:27 PM
Sense the sarcasm.

The most expensive rifle I own is a tang-safety Ruger M77, with a Leupold 6-24x50mm scope. Next up would be a Ruger M77 MkII.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, you'll find things like an old Marlin 882, M38 Mosin, an old Rossi 62SAC, and the Franken Mauser.

My current project rifles are a Marlin XL7, and an 1895 Springfield Krag (turned into a carbine) that was picked up at a fraction of its actual value. (The store thought it was a victim of backyard gunsmithing. We discovered it was actually a re-arsenal carbine.)

And, for the record - I don't give a rat's ass who wins the World Long Distance Championships. My firearms are not paper punchers. Every one of them is set up for big game, small game, upland game, and predators. My shooting is done between 10 yards and 600 yards. When competitions start requiring licenses and tags, expanding bullets, and use live game... I might pay attention.


Remember TRguy - not everything is about performance. Sometimes, it's about looks and personal preference. I can't get past the butt-ugly barrel nut, bolt, and bolt shroud on Savages (not to mention, the unusual placement of the bolt handle - it's not natural).

Some people marry blondes and red-heads. I married a brunette.

I am sure the OP is grateful for your valuable input to his thread.

sarcasm is fun

Dr. Strangelove
May 4, 2010, 02:55 PM
Is this typical accuracy for Savage rifles?

Yep.

I bought a 110 in 7mm Rem Mag from a friend, just to help him out, it's been the most accurate rifle I own, including a custom Mauser.

As far as I'm concerned, if I needed I new rifle, it would be a Savage.

Kreyzhorse
May 4, 2010, 03:11 PM
Yep. I've got a left handed Savage 7mm Rem Mag and my buddy has a 30.06 and both of them are very accurate. They are a little ugly, but man do they shoot.

L_Killkenny
May 4, 2010, 04:36 PM
Let's put it this way, if you have a Savage bolt gun that won't shoot MOA......more than likely it's stamped Ruger or Remington. :) Yes, every Savage I've been around has been MOA or less guns.

LK

cbrabham
May 4, 2010, 09:03 PM
The beauty of the barrel nut is that you can switch barrels in about ten minutes. - ( Once you've done it a few times. )

You have to have a barrel nut wrench, and a 'GO" gauge for the cartridge. You screw in the new barrel until it bumps up firmly onto the 'GO' gauge, tighten the barrel nut and Hey Presto! - Headspace is set perfectly!

On my model 16 ( short action ) in .243, I can switch between 22-250, 243, 250 savage, 260 Rem, 7-08, .308, 338 Federal, and .358 Winchester - Plus a few wildcats of course.

I am a big-bore enthusiast so naturally the .338 Federal and .358 Winchester are most interesting to me.

By swapping out the bolt head and magazine box too, there are other short-action cartridges I can switch to. ( .223 family )

Note that most shooters remove the ejector for this barrel-swapping operation, but others do not find it to be necessary. Drill a hole on the bottom of your GO gauge for the ejector to slide into, and this becomes a moot point. What you want to avoid is having the ejector press on the GO gauge and give you a bogus headspace indication, where you think it is screwed down tight on the gauge when really it is not.

The price of a new barrel plus a GO gauge is significantly less than the price of another rifle, and they take up less space in the safe.

It's not everybody's cuppa tea, but for those who like it, it is a real money and space saver. - You can try out new cartridges without having to buy a new gun. Instead, you try them out on an action, stock and trigger that you are already used to.

Note that the new style barrel nut has no longitudinal grooves and looks much nicer than the old style. Check out the pictures of my rifle on the first page to see the new, smooth barrel nut.

Folks who swap barrels a lot tend to like the old style better, but I'm willing to go to a bit of extra trouble in order to use the new style barrel nut. - It really does look a lot better!

slab11
May 5, 2010, 06:54 PM
have a 7mm rem mag savage 110 that shoots .75 or better 3 shots (with price of ammo and shoulder damage, dont shoot 5 shots with it). had a 308 predator hunter (special run of some kind) that shot 1.5" at 100 yrds, never found any ammo it liked, even FGMM, so traded it.

m.p.driver
May 5, 2010, 07:12 PM
Years ago when savage retooled i bought an Fp in .300WinMag.Soon after a buddy needed to buy a rifle for use on a local department that didn't have the funds for a tactical rifle.I told him that you couldn't go wrong with the Savage and with my FFL it was $214.Two weeks later we're out at the 100 yard range sighting his new .308 in and he said the 3 inch groups were pretty good.I asked what in the he** was he shooting in it, after i checked the scope and mounts.He tossed me a box of Chinese .308's which i then tossed in the garbage can.Got in my shooting box for some 168 Sierra handloads from my M1A1,and preceded to shoot a five round group that you could cover with a nickel .I said that is what this rifle can do, and better with a decent shooter behind it,and he has used that rifle to win L.E. competitions to this day.

loverme85
May 5, 2010, 09:57 PM
They're elaborately concocted lies, formulated by the buyers of Savage and Stevens rifles - in an attempt to help them feel better about not being able to afford a Kimber, Cooper, Nosler, or Whitworth custom rifle.

I loved this comment. As far as the world long distance championship goes we'll put it like this, a 1989 Saab 900 SPG has the record for most miles on it, doesn't mean I'd rather own that over a Lamborghini Diablo, and if you would your a certified retard. In the world long distance championship are Cooper, Nosler, or Whitworth custom rifles even in a class with off the shelf rifles? (I know nothing about this competition) because there really not off the shelf rifles. Both my Coopers took me a year to get.

TRguy
May 5, 2010, 10:05 PM
Loverme85 - maybe you meant to reply in the thread the comments were made.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408695

what are you running that sauce through? It's working you over.

loverme85
May 5, 2010, 10:13 PM
lol

loverme85
May 5, 2010, 10:15 PM
I'm new to the site as you can see by how many times I've posted.

Charles Ellis
May 5, 2010, 10:37 PM
I have had 2 Savage rifles that grouped 1" or less at 100 yds.The last one that I bought was a youth model in 243 Win.It groups 1/2" or less with the cheapest ammo that I can find(Monarch,from Academy,it's made in Yugoslavia).The other was a 30-06 and would do 1" all day long.They aren't pretty but they do shoot.