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Microgunner
February 13, 2010, 12:52 PM
It just happened again. I can't even remember how many times this has happened to me in the course of my pawn broker duties. A guy just walked in, looked me in the eye, reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a pistol to pawn. The urge to defend myself was almost overwhelming. How stupid can people get? The funny part, if there can be one, is he thinks he's being cool, in the know, a gunslinger. This is what happens when people receive their training at the movies. Idiot!

SpookBoy
February 13, 2010, 01:32 PM
i'm glad you didn't jump the gun:D lol

seirously,dumb! im sorry brother, i would've been just as nervous. i mean i know you prob have a sign out front,like 100% of every gun/ pawn and gun stores.Luckily you wernt shot

Doc Intrepid
February 13, 2010, 01:44 PM
I believe if I were in your line of work, I'd wear a kevlar vest.

And I'd prominently mount a sign somewhere so that all but the illiterate could not miss it; something along the lines of "bring your guns in in a paper bag - pull a gun on me and you won't do it twice", or something to that effect.

It's actually a wonder that more dumbasses don't get shot pulling that sort of stunt...

Brian Pfleuger
February 13, 2010, 01:48 PM
My response would be "That's a good way to get shot, idiot. Now get out of my business and don't come back."

Microgunner
February 13, 2010, 01:55 PM
It's actually a wonder that more dumbasses don't get shot pulling that sort of stunt...


I severely reprimanded him and told him I was more mad at myself for waiting to see what he intended to do with that pistol instead of shooting him. I informed him that, right now, I should be on the phone to 911 trying to get someone here to save his life. Then Stanley Steemer to try to get his blood out of the carpet. He apologized and we conducted our business.

retiredcoasty
February 13, 2010, 04:26 PM
I would have told him the following:

It is company policy to NOT purchase firearms from complete morons as they probably did not properly care for the firearm. And you are obviously a moron because you don’t even realize that you nearly reached room temperature when you pulled that pistol out without proper warning.

Microgunner
February 13, 2010, 05:32 PM
And you are obviously a moron because you don’t even realize that you nearly reached room temperature when you pulled that pistol out without proper warning.

LOL!

fastforty
February 14, 2010, 02:37 AM
He should have been staring down a barrel before he got his hand halfway out of his pocket. Next time, it could well be a loaded gun- you have every right to defend yourself.

I *never* take a gun into a gun store without going in and talking to someone about doing so FIRST. In one of the stores that I frequent, they have a big 12"x12" wooden post floor to ceiling at the end of the glass counter. It never rang a bell what it was there for (or why the salesman always stood next to it) until one day when a couple of clowns came walking through the door with a shotgun in their hands. Salesman was behind that post in an *instant*, ready to clear leather.

Double Naught Spy
February 14, 2010, 10:53 AM
It just happened again. I can't even remember how many times this has happened to me in the course of my pawn broker duties. A guy just walked in, looked me in the eye, reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a pistol to pawn.

We had this happen several times over the years in our pawnshops. Often, the guns were loaded as well. The funny thing is that they wanted to pawn loaded guns so that they would have a loaded guns when they reclaimed them. As a matter of safety and reduced hassle, we did not take ammo, either loaded or separate, in with the gun.

old bear
February 14, 2010, 12:36 PM
1-Make sure that weapon is unloaded.
2-With an auto loader lock slide open. If a revolver keep cylinder open.
3-Hold weapon by the barrel or slide in LEFT hand with the butt pointing away from your body.
4-Clearly announce, don’t yell, that you have a weapon that needs service or you wish to sell, or whatever the case may be.

The above should eliminate any confusion as to your intentions.

rbernie
February 14, 2010, 12:53 PM
Seen in a pawn shop in NoVA that did a heavy business in guns - "Don't draw on us, and we won't draw on you.."

raftman
February 14, 2010, 02:58 PM
1-Make sure that weapon is unloaded.
2-With an auto loader lock slide open. If a revolver keep cylinder open.
3-Hold weapon by the barrel or slide in LEFT hand with the butt pointing away from your body.
4-Clearly announce, don’t yell, that you have a weapon that needs service or you wish to sell, or whatever the case may be.

Yep. Although some semi-autos don't have a means by which to lock the slide open, and some revolvers are neither swing-out or break-top.

One thing I've always done when bringing a pistol into a shop either for service or for sale/trade is to bring it in a hard case. If possible, keep it in the case with the magazine out, action open, etc. I feel it's less threatening than just about any other means of coming in with a gun in hand.

ratrodfink
February 14, 2010, 03:10 PM
A case wouldn't kill ya or get you killed.

Wagonman
February 14, 2010, 11:30 PM
When I bring a gun in for any reason it is in a hard case and I ask the clerk to handle it.

DanimalFL
February 15, 2010, 12:05 AM
I'm sure in the pawn business you need a certain mentality.
Just like in the Leo community, when some officers come across someone with CCW they make them get out of the car disarm them and make a huge deal out of nothing. Then on the other hand you have a Game & Fish officer who everybody he comes in contact with is armed and usually 4-5 to one and
back up is an hour away. Most of the first kind of officers don't have the mentality to be a G&F officer. So if you are going to pawn guns you need put up a huge sign because not everybody is going to know what pawnshop protocol is.

hogdogs
February 15, 2010, 12:24 AM
Only a couple weeks after I had to do a gun transaction at a pawn shop, he changed his signage.

Seems my initial walk in and tell him I was there with weapons in the truck was something he thought about and liked and now has a hand written sign saying something like...
"If you are here to pawn or sell a firearm, leave it in the vehicle and come in first with your ID then return for weapon."

I went in first without the gun as I did not know his protocol and just went the safest route.
Brent

Stevie-Ray
February 16, 2010, 01:34 PM
Simple sign: All guns must be cased. Neither of the pawn shops in my area have those.

dberry
March 5, 2010, 05:18 AM
I miss working in a pawn shop it was extremely interesting. We had some situations like that. I always carried when I worked at the pawn counter. Alot of people who came in and were acting unsafe with their firearms when questioned were found to be wanting to pawn a firearm that was not theirs in the first place. We always got a kick out of people who brought something in that they said was theirs and it works perfectly when asked but when going to test it out they had no idea how to even turn the item on.

Microgunner
March 5, 2010, 09:01 AM
Yeah, watching the thief trying to figure out how to start the gasoline powered tool they're wanting to pawn always gives us a chuckle. Of course this automatically disqualifies them from pawning at our shops.

Skans
March 5, 2010, 11:39 AM
Why don't you just post the procedure for bringing guns in for pawn right on your door? Something like:

WARNING

1. All guns for pawn must be BOXED and UNLOADED.

2. Flashing any firearm, loaded or unloaded, will be presumed to be an armed robbery and cause a loaded firearm to be aimed at you.

3. Do not draw any gun from a holster, pocket or other place on your body while in this shop.

Just wondering if something like that might work?

Microgunner
March 5, 2010, 03:18 PM
Very well thought out.

TenRing
March 5, 2010, 04:05 PM
Since this has happened to you before, I'm surprised that you haven't put up a warning sign before now. You can never tell what an idiot might do. Even with the sign, you could still have some folks claim that they didn't see it. You should also have a pictorial along with the wording for those who aren't so literate. I'm thinking a picture of a gun in a circle with a red line through it.

howwie
March 5, 2010, 04:12 PM
WOW this guy is nuts. I know a few pawn shop owners ;) The one time I carried an uncased gun into a shop to have it looked at for a friend. (who didnt have a case) I went in, talked to the guy, told him what I was about to bring in and that it would be locked open unloaded... and i was still uncomfortable. People really just don't think sometimes...

ritepath
March 5, 2010, 09:12 PM
Well I'm sure he need the drugs pretty bad....Did he ask you what you'd give him for a NIB flatscreen if he went and charged it at Wal-Mart.

jad0110
March 5, 2010, 09:22 PM
Well I'm sure he need the drugs pretty bad

Well, that would explain the scrambled eggs inside is cranium, wouldn't it? :p

Frickin' idiot.

Microgunner
March 6, 2010, 08:38 AM
Well I'm sure he need the drugs pretty bad

Meth head I think. He was swatting bugs. ;)

spotter123654
March 6, 2010, 11:04 PM
truly an idiot haha

cubesmoothie
March 11, 2010, 07:35 PM
Put a sign up on the front door that says (All firearms must be in a case) that would suck if you or someone else got hurt when no one means any harm.

KAK
March 11, 2010, 07:47 PM
1. Licensed CC is welcome.
2. All Firearms for pawn must be cased, and unloaded.
3. I will assume weapons drawn from holsters, pockets or jackets; ARMED ROBERY and will fire oppon you.

Shotgun Don
March 11, 2010, 07:58 PM
Try working @ a Gun store with a Range.....you cant even imagine the stupidity

orionengnr
March 11, 2010, 08:04 PM
My response would be "That's a good way to get shot, idiot. Now get out of my business and don't come back."

Especially the second part.

tkopp
March 12, 2010, 03:33 AM
The geniuses who pull this sort of crap are the same sort who'd not read a sign. Pawn shops deal with all kinds of people, and pawn shops that deal in firearms (mine doesn't) deal with all kinds of armed people. All you can do is tell them they're being a jackass and hope they reform. If they don't, lowball 'em until they go someplace else.

zzbruno
March 20, 2010, 03:43 PM
I was in a gun shop in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago, and as soon as I opened the door, a recorded message said "If you are entering this business with a weapon, declare so NOW." There was a sign at eye level right inside the door that said exactly the same thing. The guy working the counter said the owner put it in a couple of years ago when two guys came in with shotguns wrapped in blankets and just hovered around the counter for a few minutes. The clerk had triggered a silent alarm and two other employees were locked and loaded behind a two-way mirror. Those guys came within seconds of getting blasted and it turned out they were just a couple of goobers who inherited a couple of single-shot shot guns.

jborushko
March 21, 2010, 05:06 PM
come on... how many signs are on the door to a pawn broker? you'd have to sit there for 30 min to read them all. at which point you dont even try to read the one that is right next to the handle or eye level. now if it was ONE sign that would be easier to notice, but if its mixed in with 15 others...

i do like the recorded message idea, thats pretty sweet.

personally, if im gonna pull a piece (to test a holster or whatever) i always announce it to the clerk, and make it painfully obvious that my fingers are nowhere near the trigger. then unload the weapon muzzle down. then reload back in my car after leaving. i have never had a problem with this technique.

conversation goes like this:

me: "hi there... id like to try this holster out/whatever. do you mind if i remove my weapon from my holster/pocket to try it out? i will unload the weapon."

them: "fine"

me: "thank you, its in a shoulder holster/where ever"
slowly open shirt and remove weapon

OR... them:" please leave the store and unload it then bring it back in"

me: "no problem, i'll be right back, do you have a case i can borrow?"

of course if i do see the sign, i would obviously follow those instructions. or if im headed into the gunsmith for work to be done... that weapon is in a case unloaded, bolt open locked back or a piece of plastic through the action holding it open. if i hawked my guns i would do the same thing

my point is, having a sign may not be as obvious as it sounds. and you cant get over peoples god given right to be stupid

threegun
March 22, 2010, 09:37 AM
Microgunner, Get over it. If this guy was intent on robbery he would likely have shown signs of fear and or nervousness long before removing the firearm from his pocket.

If someone comes in acting normal and reaches into a pocket then pulls a gun and robs or kills you.......it sucks but it cannot be prevented only countered.

You cannot draw on everyone who reaches into a pocket nor can you beat someone to the draw who already has a gun in hand.

So all you can do is train in tactics to maximize your ability to survive an encounter in which you are behind in the reactionary curve.

You should only be upset with yourself if the guy had displayed suspicious behavior and you failed to react...........like that other time LOL. I had your back that time though.

Edward429451
March 22, 2010, 09:48 AM
But if you refuse service to morons, wont your customer base go down to twelve people?

NavyLT
March 22, 2010, 09:49 AM
Blame your legislature. If open carry was legal in FLorida, you wouldn't have that problem! :rolleyes:

threegun
March 22, 2010, 10:27 AM
But if you refuse service to morons, wont your customer base go down to twelve people?

LOL.............It would dwindle for sure.

B18C5-EH2
March 29, 2010, 02:52 PM
I do frequent business with a well-known pawn shop in GA. I've been into this place many times and have spoken with a particular guy (whom I'll get to in a second) as well as most everyone on the staff.

I went into the shop with my unloaded Glock 39 with the intention of sizing it up against a few other pistols. I did not plan this out beforehand, so I did not have my case, a box, etc. I did however have my ISWB holster on me. I figured declaring to have the unloaded firearm BEFORE I pulled it out and laid it on the counter would be ideal given the circumstances. (they did not have another baby Glock, nor would they have the Pearce Grip +1 extension to add for comparison) or else I'd have just used one of theirs.

First I talked to a younger guy and asked him if he would mind if I pulled my Glock out of the holster, unloaded, to compare it to a Kahr CW40. He said it was not a problem and I slowly and very deliberately pulled the Glock from my ISWB holster, locked the slide open (the unloaded magazine was in my pocket) and let him check it before I laid it on the counter.

No problem.

Then I am done comparing, and the guy goes into the back. I see a Glock 36 I'd like to handle and compare to my 39. I approach an older guy there that I've seen and spoken to on numerous occasions. He gets the 36 out and I'm checking it out. I then ask him if I could bring my 39 out for comparison (I even said unloaded Glock 39) and he nods his head yes. I pull the 39 out (I won't say "draw" because it was very slow and deliberate) and as I'm locking the slide back he literally yells out:

"THAT THING'S NOT LOADED IS IT?!?!

Scared the crap out of me. Half the place stopped and looked at me/us (my wife and baby were with me) like in the movies or something.

I guess he was only half listening when I told him I'd be taking my unloaded Glock 39 out to compare/contrast with the 36 on the counter.

Yes, yes I intend to rob a store from which I've purchased guns, they seeme and know who i am, AND have my wife and child with me.

:rolleyes:

nefprotector
April 8, 2010, 12:09 PM
Last year I had to pawn a few of my guns due to layoffs @ the work place. I carried all my guns that I had really no use for in; in some sort of case or another or original box that they came with. I was no problem with the pawn brokers.

BUT! A guy that worked with me (black) tucked his handgun, in his waistband and entered. I thought the place was going to go nuts. He quickly raised his hands to the sky and said "Im here to pawn". I thought Damn! What a Dumbbutt! He was later advised of proper procedures of entering the shop with a gun.

gunrunner1
April 13, 2010, 02:30 PM
Around here, some bring a gun into a pawn shop in a case, some just carry it in the open, no one bats an eye. If you stood in the doorway and announced "I have a gun", that's when someone might think you were going to rob the place.

Helios
April 13, 2010, 03:46 PM
Microgunner, Get over it. If this guy was intent on robbery he would likely have shown signs of fear and or nervousness long before removing the firearm from his pocket.

Can't say I agree with that. I was in a general store/pharmacy once while it was robbed. The bad guy stuck a knife in the face of the cashier and demanded money. He was cool as a cucumber the entire time.

m&p45acp10+1
April 13, 2010, 05:15 PM
I think some of the not so bright people just seem to have a knack for making people in gun stores. and pawn shops nervous. There is a sighn on the front door of the gun store I frequent. It reads.
1 If you are carrying a concealed handgun in this store make sure it stays that way. (Word concealed in bold red letters, and underlined.)
2 No Loaded work guns shall be brought into this store.
3 If your gun is not in a case make sure the muzzle is pointed at the floor, with the action open.
Unfortuanately common sense is becoming less common these days.

threegun
April 22, 2010, 06:20 AM
Helios,

Can't say I agree with that. I was in a general store/pharmacy once while it was robbed. The bad guy stuck a knife in the face of the cashier and demanded money. He was cool as a cucumber the entire time.

I did say.....Get over it. If this guy was intent on robbery he would likely have shown signs of fear and or nervousness long before removing the firearm from his pocket.

I believe I went on to say something to the effect that if someone is as cool as a cucumber while intent on harming you, you are probably screwed.

In all the actual robbery footage I have seen and the personal accounts I have heard all displayed the tell tale signs of nervousness and or fear. With most folks saying they knew something was up. Your story is the first account I have heard that the perp gave no signs of pending trouble. I'm not even sure of yours because being cool during the event and being cool prior to the event are two different animals.

I do agree that it can happen. My experience says its rare though.

ScottRiqui
April 22, 2010, 08:33 AM
Had a no-muss/no-fuss experience at the local shop last week.

I was looking at a Galco shoulder holster and wanted to know if it would allow condition-one carry with my EMP .40 S&W. (the Galco website is purposely vague on this topic.) I asked if they had an EMP I could test-fit to the holster, and the clerk apologized and said that they didn't.

I mentioned that I was carrying mine, and asked the clerk if he would be willing to clear it and let me use it to check the holster. He agreed, and I handed the pistol over to him, keeping the muzzle pointed at the ground. He cleared it while I watched and handed it back to me along with the magazine and the round from the chamber. After checking out the holster (which was a perfect fit, so I ended up buying it), the clerk politely asked me to keep the pistol in condition three or lower until I left the store, which I thought was reasonable.

Everyone was polite and professional during the whole transaction, and no one made me feel like a criminal or that they didn't trust me to handle safely. All in all a good experience.

Microgunner
April 23, 2010, 01:58 PM
Scott, that was a truly responsible way of handling your situation by all parties involved. Now, walk into a gun shop, reach into your pocket and pull out a pistol. I'll bet a whole different scenario plays out. I wish all my customers were as considerate as yourself.

rudeboy3
May 7, 2010, 12:25 AM
Ya pawn shops get pretty wild sometimes..my dad has owned one for 33 years and never drew his gun until this last year (after the economy tanked) twice for attempted robberies. Ya he's ready to retire.